But I gave it a clever name
Why do people hate fences?
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give them back Texass as a token as well..
well loco does live there....
But you like the moat right??? RIght??? Everyone loves the moat!!!!
I suppose now though we'll have to call you Idi.
Here's why some people don't like this fence. $49 billion to maintain over 25 years.
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2688
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2688
But maybe it'll work as well as the dingo fence!!Here's why some people don't like this fence. $49 billion to maintain over 25 years.
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2688
I thought it was a rabbit fence :huh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-proof_fence
edit: nevermind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_Fence
If you're such a puss that rabbits scare you, yeah.
Real men still need a dingo fence. Just to slow them down enough so you can catch them and rend their flesh with your bare hands to suck out the brains.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_fence
Real men still need a dingo fence. Just to slow them down enough so you can catch them and rend their flesh with your bare hands to suck out the brains.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_fence
"Real" men don't need fences at all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bison#19th_century_Bison_hunts
white 19th century American people (with a little help from Sharps rifles) kick ass!!!"Real" men don't need fences at all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bison#19th_century_Bison_hunts
I just noticed that this thread would be REALLY different if the letter "n" were removed from the title....
If they were smart they would have switched from exotic to native farm animals and saved themselves a ton of headaches - it took them a while:
Bison Today
We also caused more problems than we fixed when we extirpated the gray wolf from North America in the early 1900s.
We'd still need a moat.
Full of Baby Ruth bars, Caddyshack style.
what about a fence made of fire?
pretty and practical!
pretty and practical!
Drone guns with motion sensors.
US might gain much more if the money spent for land degradation and separation of people would be invested in development of education system, environmental protection and other cruical infrastructure vital to social and economic development. Building border fences doesn't fit for the 21 century.
If you're not for the moat you're against the moat and therefore a commie pinko! (or a terrorist... pick your flavor)
How does that relate to illegal immigration? Unless you're saying that money should be spent in Mexico, but you wrote it like US money spent in the US?
tell me more about the 'land degradation' as it relates to environmental protection, and compare that with the efforts of our neighbors (but only if it's relevant).
I thought it was rather obvious, I mean you want to remove the cause of the problem. I think that any kind of border fence represents very expensive, short term and uneffective solution.
US might achieve the longterm solution by removing illegal employment opportunities in US and investing in faster development of Mexico at the same time. Smart investment strategies could result in creating new employment opportunities in both sides of the border, etc, etc...
Border fence is a kind of land degradation unless you are saying that Mexicans represent hazard for the environment.
I'm just saying that tax money could be spent for something that is actually needed.
I saw a mexican litter just the other day
You are right, construction of border fence would require too many workers.
The giant moat between US and Mexico could be built with nuclear excavation. That way you could still have cheap workers for cleaning the moat around the house.
I wasn't obvious as it was convoluted.
As for your idea... it's nice in theory, but we don't currently have the resources to do that.
Also, Mexico has an unhealthy influx of immigrants coming to them from the south, so do we fix those economies too? Seems to me that we've been interfering a little too much?
Fixing economy is not the proper term, offering help would suit much better.
My idea is nothing new, it's been used in practice in various parts of the world, but it takes time to achieve results. Unless US is preparing for the war with aliens there should be plenty of resources. Besides such investments are expected to return, but only if the job is properly done.
In addition, faster and healthy development of one region would also effect on their less developed neighbours. It also couldn't harm if other regions would be participating in such programs.
My idea is nothing new, it's been used in practice in various parts of the world, but it takes time to achieve results. Unless US is preparing for the war with aliens there should be plenty of resources. Besides such investments are expected to return, but only if the job is properly done.
In addition, faster and healthy development of one region would also effect on their less developed neighbours. It also couldn't harm if other regions would be participating in such programs.
i think it's b/c they're catholic (can't use condoms)
You guys are missing an obvious solution, one which has been proven effective in many 3rd would countries and bad neighbor situations. I'm really hesitant to mention this for fear someone might take me seriously: Landmines. For those who want to shoot, incarcerate and exploit poor immigrants, you should really go all the way support landmines.
For the sake of arguement, fences in other parts of the world are maintained to keep out violent people who want to blow up the entering country. In our situation, people want to come and work- (of course you could argue the resulting cheap labor has the same terrorist economic sanctions on the middle class as blowing up a restaurant).
For the sake of arguement, fences in other parts of the world are maintained to keep out violent people who want to blow up the entering country. In our situation, people want to come and work- (of course you could argue the resulting cheap labor has the same terrorist economic sanctions on the middle class as blowing up a restaurant).
Well, on moral grounds, landmines are one thing, and you're being facetious anyhow, right?
But on practical grounds, they're still not entirely effective used alone. Landmines are an obstacle, just like a fence. Landmines on their own do present a deterrent, but are also pretty easily defeated given time.
The point of landmines used as a barrier, like other obstacles, is to channel adversaries into a particular position (using overt minefields) or to slow their advance... either result being a way to shoot them (under military circumstances.) They're not a tool to block anyone totally or cause serious attrition on their own.
If you don't observe your minefields, you will end up with safe lanes being made through them via infinite methods (plowing with vehicles, probing by hand, forcing someone to walk ahead of you, whatever). So in the end, they're no better than any other obstacle. The primary tool for border security and control is observation (arrayed in depth, preferably), not a single Manginot line of some kind or an belt of physical obstacles.
Given the heavy manpower requirements for physical defense of the border, we'd better use a technical solution. But hopefully something better than that Boeing boondoggle "virtual fence."
But on practical grounds, they're still not entirely effective used alone. Landmines are an obstacle, just like a fence. Landmines on their own do present a deterrent, but are also pretty easily defeated given time.
The point of landmines used as a barrier, like other obstacles, is to channel adversaries into a particular position (using overt minefields) or to slow their advance... either result being a way to shoot them (under military circumstances.) They're not a tool to block anyone totally or cause serious attrition on their own.
If you don't observe your minefields, you will end up with safe lanes being made through them via infinite methods (plowing with vehicles, probing by hand, forcing someone to walk ahead of you, whatever). So in the end, they're no better than any other obstacle. The primary tool for border security and control is observation (arrayed in depth, preferably), not a single Manginot line of some kind or an belt of physical obstacles.
Given the heavy manpower requirements for physical defense of the border, we'd better use a technical solution. But hopefully something better than that Boeing boondoggle "virtual fence."
