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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by cmoney, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. Percy

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    Haha, you said BAZINGA!!:D

    And yes I agree, cos you and I are about the same size and height, yet want rather different size and geometry bikes, this system would allow us to own the same model bike (albeit in different sizes!) yet set it up to our geometric preference.:thumb::thumb:
     

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  2. marko

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    Hi!

    I have a question for those who have ordered from Works Components. I ordered mine headset angle reducer last week, but didn't get any confirmation mail that the item was shipped or anything else, but i do have paypal email that the payment was done.
    Can i expect that it will just come on my doorstep or do i have to get an email with confirmation. I also wrote to the email they provide on the page, but haven't got any answers...

    cheers,
    Marko
     
  3. rpet

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    Yeah I didn't receive an order confirmation either, but it arrived in under a week.
     
  4. marko

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    ok thanks, hardly waiting to get my glory under 65, yeah...:D
     
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    I put a 1 degree on my xs Glory since it is half a degree slacker the the other frames. So far I like it the bike is really dialed now. It took about a week and no notice, just showed up
     
  6. marko

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    well i have a large frame and ordered 1,5 degree, i expect it to be more stable on steep sections with a lot of compression holes where i usually get the feeling i will get thrown over the bars...will post how the bike handles after i put it in...
     
  7. extremecarver

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    Can anyone comment on how much fork clearance one gains when putting in the works components 2° angle reducer kit?

    I currently run a 12mm lower stack headset and have about 5-6mm of space between the adjuster knobs of my Marzocchi 66 ETA (2007) and the bottomtube of my 2007 medium 7point frame.

    The works components angle set supposedly got a 3-4mm lower stack height - so I'm afraid that my fork won't clear the frame when turning hard or crashing. I cannot really estimate how much clearance I gain by the offset position as well as the 2° angle.

    @whoops, what size and year 7point frame are you running, and what fork?
     
  8. miuan

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    Bump, I ordered one for my Radical this Monday.
    Wonder why Rick never replies to e-mails and won't even send an order confirmation. Seems kinda stupid knowing he has a good product.
     
  9. JimLad

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    I ordered a set a couple of days ago and just got an email saying it has been dispatched. Apparently there was a slight delay in picking up the cups from anodising.
     
  10. banrider

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    I'm about to order an angleset for my Canfield Jedi '09, I still haven't decided if I should choose the ones the guy at Mtbr sells ( http://www.ofanaim.net/has.html ) or the one just released by Workscomponents. The first one would give me a 1.3º slacker angle, the second one only 1º, but the first one is more expensive, do you think it's worth the money only for a 0.3º of difference between the 2 anglesets??
     
  11. Rick205

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    Sorry Miuan - I think we have you sorted now, i wasnt ignoring you.

    Yes, there has been a delay at the anodizers which has put some dispatch dates back - apologies to anybody who has been inconvenienced.

    In terms of the 1 1/8" angle headset - we only have a 1.0 degree option at present due to the extra reduction in wall thickness a greater angle (And headtube length) requires - if we havnt tested it we wont sell it. Our 1.0 degree headset has seen considerable time on several bikes in varying situations, inc being raced DH on our national circuit so were happy its proven now, plus our 1 1/8" headsets are all 7075 T6 for extra strength.

    Thanks, Rick
     
  12. extremecarver

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    BTW, it would not have fitted with a 66 ETA (but would have worked out with a 66 RC2x). I got a custom 11mm stack head angle reducer from Works Components 3 month ago, and jsut today ordered another one for another frame (again custom, as headtube is 140mm long, and standard models are only 130-136mm) - this time -2° EC44/EC44 for an Ironhorse 6.7 (7inch travel as I use a 8x5x2.75 coil shock) size large (which will replace my 7Point as trailbike, while the 7Point will get a double crown fork in the long run for bikepark purposes (200/180).
     
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    Received and installed yesterday. It was my first time installing a headset, and it wasn't easy with the cups having a 1.5 degree angle on them. The bottom cup was incredibly tight, it might have been easier if I'd put the cups in the freezer overnight. I think they installed fine though, everything is pointing the right way and the headset is good and secure all cinched down.

    A quick test on the driveway and the steering feels really smooth. I installed the -1.5 degree cups on a 2009 glory dh so the HTA is now 64 degrees. I was still running the unsealed stock headset and fancied seeing what all this slack hype was about, but particularly to see if I could get rid of some oversteer I sometimes feel if I corner aggressively. Looking forward to testing on the trails.
     
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  14. andyt

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    Big thumbs up for the works components, got -2 in the xc bike & -1.5 in the dh. Went in straight first time, dh bike has only had a couple of runs - waiting for france, xc bike has been ridden lots, no issues.
     
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    That's probably because the HT was too tight. Mine went in TOO EASY!!! I'd swear I could feel the cups move once the HS got loose. So I think it may have something to do with the HT design, rather than with the Works cups.
     
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    Howd you guys make sure you were on the centerline when u install? Also, extremecarver, how did you get a custom low stack headset? My steerer tube is super short and i need a super low stack height for my zs44 6point.
     
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    In the end I went for a normal ZS44 -2°, as I got a 35mm stem (clamped to 28mm and seemingly stable).
     
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    just back from a weeks testing on the braking bumps of portes du soleil, perfect no creaks, groans or movement of the -1.5 headcups.
    Putting the cups in, just follow their instructions - mark a centerline on the bike & tap them in slowly, easy.
     
  19. drastic.

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    bumping an old thread.

    if i buy a 1* angleset, do i just need to buy a new cup if i decide i want to go down to 1.5*, or do i need a while new headset from WC?

    65* right now, and looking to take her down to 64ish, but not shying away from experimenting w/ 63.5, which is why i ask.
     
  20. HAB

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    Since it doesn't use gimbals like the CC one, you'd need 2 new cups, top and bottom.
     
  21. Da Peach

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    I just put one into my xc/trail bike. No complaints!

    A choice of colours would have been nice...
     
  22. drastic.

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HAB again.


    damn. that's almost a deal breaker for me. for $110 USD it's a great price, but for $130 i can get a 1* CC angleset and have the option to switch cups in the future.


    not that i plan to be playing with angles a lot..but i'm undecisive on if i want a 1* or 1.5* cup, and it'd be nice to have or try both w/o much of a money penalty.
     
  23. yuroshek

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    Colorways like this?

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    Works made these custom for my old team I ran back in 2010.
     
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  24. Da Peach

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    Just like that, but not.

    I'd need red. Blue...I heard it reduced the slackening effect.
     
  25. Scrub

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    Blue was so 2010, red is only good for a few more weeks.:panic:
     
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    well good luck with that red headset bud!
     
  27. Udi

    Udi RM Chief Ornithologist: “I Brake for Birds”

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    For less money, you get to have something that won't ever creak / wear out / cause you dramas. All you have to do is make up your mind on which angle you want. :)
     
  28. drastic.

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    i've read nothing but complaints with the CC, which is why i havent gotten one yet, then came across the WC and got interested.

    what you think..1* or 1.5*? i have very little experience w/ bike setups as i typically ride w/ 1 person, so i dont have too much hands-on experience w/ other bikes. and i honestly don't know how much of an effect half a degree has on a bike's handling characteristics.

    65*, 13.7" BBH stock. mostly FR-oriented DH trails. more into jumping than the big rock gnar where i live. summer time, ill be at northstar more often than not on the weekends.
     
  29. Udi

    Udi RM Chief Ornithologist: “I Brake for Birds”

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    Yeah honestly, I have been running the Works Components ones since they were very first released - still no problems with the original one. The design is updated now so they are a little prettier and perhaps a little lighter - same design as the K9 ones. I have a 1* and a 1.5*.

    From what you've described there I think 1* would be your best bet. If you have a dual crown fork you can get a little more adjustment range from that as well. If you were riding steep tracks quite often I'd suggest the 1.5*, but that doesn't sound like the majority of your riding.

    The slacker cups will lower you BB a small amount as well, I would guess 0.1-0.2" for 1* slacker.

    Hope that helps.
     
  30. Optimax150

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    If you have external cups and you go 1.5 deg your actually only getting one degree angle change. One deg your only getting .5 angle change. With the works cups. I have the 2 deg cups but I went from external cups to flush. I think if you really want to feel a change go 1.5 deg.
     
  31. Udi

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    I don't understand what you're talking about, but on my frame 1* cups made the head angle 1* slacker (measured with angle finder before/after).

    Flush cups before, flush cups after. I have no idea why the claimed angle would be different from the actual change, unless you are changing your headset type (flush / external) for some reason - which I don't think 'drastic' is.

    I'm would imagine the Voltage FR has a straight through 1.5" headtube as well, correct me if I'm wrong (don't know the lineup that well).
     
  32. Optimax150

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    The work's components are flush mount cups. I don't know what type of cups he has on his frame now. If he is changing from external to flush cups he isn't going to get the angle change as stated on the cups. Sorry maybe I should've worded my first post better.
     
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    Udi RM Chief Ornithologist: “I Brake for Birds”

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    Yeah the wording was a little confusing, but it makes sense - I suppose if he's going from external to flush it's worth considering the loss of A-C height, and thus some loss of angle.

    Personally I'm not a fan of the BB dropping too much on bikes that are already low to begin with, which can be an annoying side effect of slacker cups - and it will also happen as a result of going external -> flush cup.

    Having a dual crown fork makes life a lot easier in these scenarios... my personal choice would be 1* cups, and then raising the fork to compensate for the flush cup (if needed), and to slacken further (if needed). If it's a single crown and the stock lower cup is external, then maybe 1.5* is the go.
     
  34. Sandwich

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    I'd stick with 1*. My sunday was a bit too slack @ 65* and 1.5* cup for 63.5* setup. It pushed a bit too much in some corners and I found I would have been happier with a more aggressive HA. I think you have to go very fast and ride very steep to take advantage of anything under 64*, at least as a general "shot in the dark" approach. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who say they ride 62* HA bikes and match their pajamas to the color of the moon, but I'm talking about general bike-rider guys, not "I cut my hair and saved 30g" types.
     
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    thanks for the advice guys. the voltage FR runs a flush/internal headset.

    took the advice and just ordered a 1* angleset from works, so i'm pumped to try it out.

    hadda sit on my hands for the past 2 days deciding on if i wanted the 1* or 1.5*, but settled on the 1, as i figure id let super slack HA setup be for when i get a dedicated plow bike.
    64* and ~13.5" BBH should be a happy medium between fr and dh.
     
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    I purchase a angle headset works components and i have one doubt about Headset installation.

    anyone can tell me if this is right? (my big doubt is about cups orientation)

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    cheers
     
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    Yup, looks good. :thumb:
     
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    I'm not sure how the sealing on these headsets compares to other headsets, but I had a bearing sieze in my WC headset, and before I noticed it managed to rotate the bottom cup a fair bit.

    I tried reinstalling the headset with a cleaned and lubed bearing, but the fit is now not tight enough to prevent rotation.

    So I have reinstalled using bearing retaining compound on the surface between the frame and the cups, and have not have any movement of the cup since.

    I have also found a supplier for the bearings on ebay.
     
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    Got a link for the bearings?