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wow..copyright laws hitting Tablature sites!!!WTF?

biggins

Rump Junkie
May 18, 2003
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so get on my favorite tab site ( http://www.guitartabs.cc/ ) and they are not posting any tabs right now because various musical organizations are threatening to sue them for having tabs online as copyright infringement! what the hell is this world coming to......here is the article posted by the manager of the site....

July 17, 2006

To all "Guitar Tab Universe" visitors:

The company which owns this website has been indirectly threatened (via our ISP) with legal action by the National Music Publishers' Association (NMPA) as well as the Music Publishers' Association (MPA) on the basis that sharing tablature constitutes copyright infringement. At what point does describing how one plays a song on guitar become an issue of copyright infringment? This website, among other things, helps users teach eachother how they play guitar parts for many different songs. This is the way music teachers have behaved since the first music was ever created. The difference here is that the information is shared by way of a new technology: the Internet.

When you are jamming with a friend and you show him/her the chords for a song you heard on the radio, is that copyright infringement? What about if you helped him/her remember the chord progression or riff by writing it down on, say, a napkin... infringement? If he/she calls you later that night on the phone or e-mails you and you respond via one of those methods, are you infringing? I don't know... but I would really like to know. If anyone has information on this, please email support@guitartabs.cc.

Apparently, the NMPA/MPA believes that the Internet may be on the foul side of the legality line they would like to draw here. For me, I see no difference. It's teachers educating students and covered as a 'fair use' of the tablature. The teachers here don't even get paid nor do the students have to pay this website to access the lessons.

An attack on this website is really an attack on every one of you who have told someone (in person, or via the written word, telephone, or e-mail) how you play a song on guitar. And who, especially among small websites, has the deep pockets to fight the NMPA/MPA? They use scare tactics while there is, in fact, no legal precedent on this matter (to the best of our knowledge). If you are interested in expressing your opinion to the NMPA/MPA, contact them via their respective websites. Please do not resort to vulgar language or insults.

Millions of people use the Internet to learn guitar, in one form or another. It appears the NMPA/MPA and their members do not want to support us and help us further our education. To you visitors from outside the USA or UK, can you find your favorite artists' "official sheet music" at your local music store? Even in the United States and United Kingdom, we often can not. The NMPA/MPA have a choice to make: either they support us as aspiring guitarists, or they choose to alienate their customer base. To date, not one sheet music publisher has contacted this website to either inquire as to our activities or to express interest in any type of dialogue or collaboration whatsoever. All we deserve is a cold, indirect, impersonal threat without any explanation? They should embrace new technologies or else become relics of the old economy.

Since I'm now 'worried' about working around tabs at all, I'm in a tough situation! Luckily, I'm fairly confident that if I alone listen to a song and then figure out how to play it by ear, I will then be able to enjoy using that knowledge to practice and improve my guitar playing skills. Is that what is necessary for everyone to do? Work these things out alone? What a sad situation.

Sincerely,
Rob Balch

Manager of "Guitar Tab Universe"

If you would like to help out and join the effort to fight for our freedom to tab and share, please check out MuSATO.

You can comment on this statement and/or situation here.
 

Bicyclist

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That's jacked up. Pretty soon music books will be illegal too. Playing and selling someone else's music are two different things.

BTW you posted this thread thrice, just lettin you know.
 

biggins

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May 18, 2003
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Bicyclist said:
That's jacked up. Pretty soon music books will be illegal too. Playing and selling someone else's music are two different things.

BTW you posted this thread thrice, just lettin you know.
oops it kept takin like ten minute to post so i got pissed and clicked the submit button a lot
 

biggins

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May 18, 2003
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Spitfired said:
no kiddin...
you drunk too?

nope i would hit the submit button and the little green status thing would slowly tick by one bar about every thirty seconds. annoyed the crap outta me so i hit it a lot figuring it wouldnt do anything since it wa takin 20 minutes to post. uhhh cleaned up now though.
 

biggins

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May 18, 2003
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Bicyclist said:
That's jacked up. Pretty soon music books will be illegal too. Playing and selling someone else's music are two different things.

BTW you posted this thread thrice, just lettin you know.
but yeah back to the real issues at hand......that is alittle absurd. i am so sick of bands and record companies gettin pissed becuase of the decreasing sales of their sub-par outdated product. hmmmm buy the whoel cd legally online for 8 bucks or i nthe store legally for twice as much just so you can load it onto your mp3 player and throw it in a bin with all your old 8 tracks, tapes and records......
 
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I checked that site a few days ago and noticed that. Its very lame, seems rather pointless too. Maybe next they'll sue guitar center for selling guitars capable of playing copyrighted material.

-James.
 

biggins

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jimbo_the_biker said:
I checked that site a few days ago and noticed that. Its very lame, seems rather pointless too. Maybe next they'll sue guitar center for selling guitars capable of playing copyrighted material.

-James.
bwahahahaha yeah probably pretty soon the only people allowed to play music will be the ones currently signed to labels. no new bands ever. or they will just outlaw the use of the musical scale all together.

yeah i got sued for using the G chord cause someone else used it one time.
 

Bicyclist

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Apr 4, 2004
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Bwahahahaha. I figure if a band's not good enough so that I would buy their CD w/o the internet, I'll download it.

Or I'll download stuff from a band I like if I've already bought it.
 

Ciaran

Fear my banana
Apr 5, 2004
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biggins said:
we'll see how long before they get harrassed. i also cant find stuff on there that i can on the other site. its strange.
The OLGA got harrassed back in like 99 or 2000. I think that's why you can't find some ofwhat you're looking for.

I agree that this copyright crap is getting out of hand. I can see if I was making money off of the TAB, but let's be serious here... 99.999% of us are not going to go on to be a rock star, we're going to play the songs in the garage with our buds while drinking beers. I guess I can see where that's really going to cut into record company profits. :rolleyes:
 

peter6061

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Nov 19, 2001
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It looks like Ultimate Guitar is still up

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/

I had heard a few months ago that this was coming as the the new year. Guess it took them a little while longer to get organized.

I agree that this is total BS. Most of the tabs I see online are only a person's interprestation as to what the tab would be. Very few are actual artist tab. Granted, I guess it wouldn't be hard for someone to say, copy the tab from a magazine and publish it as their own. I can see a copyright issue there.

Hopefully this will blow over. I really like having quick access to tab of virtually any song I want.