[johnbrittain]

my new V-10 is coming in tomorrow, and i talked to someone up at santa cruz and i was told that the under no circumstances whatsoever will any other hub work with the new v10's other than their hub, WTF is up with that, i know foes did this, but that is total bull sh!t, or have i just worked myself up for no reason and my 12x150mm hadley hub will work??

 

[Sherpa]

my new V-10 is coming in tomorrow, and i talked to someone up at santa cruz and i was told that the under no circumstances whatsoever will any other hub work with the new v10's other than their hub, WTF is up with that, i know foes did this, but that is total bull sh!t, or have i just worked myself up for no reason and my 12x150mm hadley hub will work??

Well i've seen an Azonic 150x12mm hub and a DT Hugi FR 150X12mm on the same bike. So yea there full of sh!t.

 

[johnbrittain]

well then my hadley 150x12 should work JUST FINE, CONTRARY TO WHAT SC TOLD ME! trhanks a ton man, i love santa cruz but this just plain pissed me the feck off that they would tell me i had to buy their hub...... okay, i've blown all my steam off, i'm cool now.

 

[Sherpa]

well then my hadley 150x12 should work JUST FINE, CONTRARY TO WHAT SC TOLD ME! trhanks a ton man, i love santa cruz but this just plain pissed me the feck off that they would tell me i had to buy their hub...... okay, i've blown all my steam off, i'm cool now.

SC has been know to be a bit dumb sometimes. Gotta know who to talk too. Your Hadley should work fine. BTW my new v10 is coming too

 

[Spunger]

If it takes a 150x12mm TA axle whatever should work. As long as the spacing and axle are correct you can use any brand.

I think it's just SC's attempt to get another $200-300 from you for a "compatiable hub"

 

[OGRipper]

Sounds more like a miscommunication to me, they probably meant you need a 12X150 and that other hubs won't work. Your Hadley should work fine. You can relax now, and know that whoever told you that did not design or build your frame...

 

[SpeedyObnox]

wtf, the sc price lists at my shop have the hadley and wtb 150x12 options listed with the fecking bike. im sure anything will work. I CANT WAIT TO GET MINE THIS WINTER!

 

[zedro]

I think it's just SC's attempt to get another $200-300 from you for a "compatiable hub"

oh, you mean the DT Swiss one they mention on the website?

sounds like a newby CS guy who only had partial info that they dont use a 'standard' (ie. 135/10) hub.

 

[OGRipper]

Does SC make (or brand) a hub? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Anyway, any 12x150 bolt-on will work.

 

[buildyourown]

Does SC make (or brand) a hub? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Anyway, any 12x150 bolt-on will work.

They did on the S8. It was a re-branded Hadley so it wasn't a bad thing at all. It was also included in the frame price.

 

[Curb Hucker]

Anyway, any 12x150 bolt-on will work.

dont you mean thru-axle type, its different than bolt on

 

[zedro]

dont you mean thru-axle type, its different than bolt on

tell that to mtbr....

 

[Curb Hucker]

tell that to mtbr....

youre joking right, they all think theyre the same

 

[OGRipper]

Hahaha, what I meant was bolt-on thru-axle, which sounds stupid but that's really what it is. It's a 12mm x 150mm thru-axle with bolts on each end, as opposed to the kind that are clamped by the frame like a 20mm front hub axle is clamped by a fork.

 

[mack]

santa cruze smokes to much dubby. made in america?

 

[dhtahoe]

In the DH world we call that a thru axle... SC more than likely got confused by your wording. When you say bolt on I'm thinking the old Intense style hub. So the real question here is. What's up with you???

 

[OGRipper]

Wow dh, do you always need to escalate things?

There's is nothing "up" with me other than a desire to try to give out accurate information. Some people get confused, thru-axle can mean a couple different things. That's my experience, maybe you've got a constructive comment to add about yours? Maybe you're confused about who was asking SC about a hub in the first place?

 

[dhtahoe]

Wow dh, do you always need to escalate things?

There's is nothing "up" with me other than a desire to try to give out accurate information. Some people get confused, thru-axle can mean a couple different things. That's my experience, maybe you've got a constructive comment to add about yours? Maybe you're confused about who was asking SC about a hub in the first place?

:eviltongu Then do some vocabulary work.

 

[dhtahoe]

Does SC make (or brand) a hub? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Anyway, any 12x150 bolt-on will work.

Bolt on.... yeah real accurate

 

[OGRipper]

Um, sure. You are such a child sometimes. What does that even mean? Haven't you figured out that not everyone lives in your "DH world" yet?

 

[OGRipper]

Bolt on.... yeah real accurate

Funny, it's got two bolts, one on each end, that you tighten to secure the wheel. It's also a thru-axle. So, it's a bolt-on thru-axle. Sounds pretty accurate to me.

As distinguished from say, THE AXLE ON THE FRONT END OF YOUR BIKE, that is also a thru-axle but attaches a different way. Or older style rear ends that clamped on the axle.

Yeesh. Check the attitude man, it's no way to represent.

 

[Transcend]

It's not often that I agree with Tahoe...but in this case, he is right. There si a big difference between a bolt on hub, and a through axle hub man. If you ask for one you will NOT get the other.

 

[OGRipper]

Well, then help me out. What is a bolt-on then? I'm not talking about a nutted, threaded solid axle, that's not a bolt-on.

 

[dhtahoe]

Not to keep this going but when a company that supports me and then I see people saying that SC smoke too much pot, are dumb, etc I MAY come to there defense. And funny but my 05 V-10 has a thru axle that has no bolts on "the end" and has one PINCH BOLT. As for the what's up with you. I was talking to the person that started the thread. Calling out someone bashing the company I ride for is a perfect way to represent. Wait we can start calling hubs "spoke holders"

 

[dhtahoe]

Well, then help me out. What is a bolt-on then? I'm not talking about a nutted, threaded solid axle, that's not a bolt-on.

My girlfriend has been riding only a few months and she says... oh yes it is, and I happen to agree.

 

[dhtahoe]

Relax I'm just poking fun.

 

[dhtahoe]

It's not often that I agree with Tahoe...but in this case, he is right. There si a big difference between a bolt on hub, and a through axle hub man. If you ask for one you will NOT get the other.

Wait we have been agreeing more lately.

 

[Sherpa]

Not to keep this going but when a company that supports me and then I see people saying that SC smoke too much pot, are dumb, etc I MAY come to there defense. And funny but my 05 V-10 has a thru axle that has no bolts on "the end" and has one PINCH BOLT. As for the what's up with you. I was talking to the person that started the thread. Calling out someone bashing the company I ride for is a perfect way to represent. Wait we can start calling hubs "spoke holders"

As you have the right to do. My only real beef with SC is there hard to get a hold of during the day. How do you like your new V-10?

 

[OGRipper]

Why do you need to post three times to say...nothing?

So a hub that attaches with axle nuts is bolted on? Ok, can't argue with that logic, especially coming from the vocabulary pro.

Ahh whatever, I wanted to match wits but it's not a fair fight. I'll be over here relaxing. 'Til next time.

 

[Transcend]

Well, then help me out. What is a bolt-on then? I'm not talking about a nutted, threaded solid axle, that's not a bolt-on.

er yes, it is.

 

[dhtahoe]

Why do you need to post three times to say...nothing?

So a hub that attaches with axle nuts is bolted on? Ok, can't argue with that logic, especially coming from the vocabulary pro.

Ahh whatever, I wanted to match wits but it's not a fair fight. I'll be over here relaxing. 'Til next time.

Because I'm lazy to edit and I'm trying to get my post count up.

 

[zedro]

So a hub that attaches with axle nuts is bolted on? Ok, can't argue with that logic, especially coming from the vocabulary pro.

semantic arguments are trivial, especially when you get them wrong. The word 'bolt' in 'bolt-on' is a verb, not a noun. So weither you thread a nut on a bolt/rod/whatever, or the other way around, you are still bolting-on something. Or would you rather 'nut-on' hubs?

ever heard of a common reference? it doesnt matter weither the semantics are accurate.

 

[zedro]

youre joking right, they all think theyre the same

as usual, its the damn Bullit owners. Ever since someone installed a bolt-on XT hub kit, they've since been 12mm thru-axle setups....

 

[Curb Hucker]

Ok, lets end the bitchfest

Thru-Axle type hub:

Has no axle, threads, or any axle like member on it, it is hollow, and an axle that is clamped to the frame or fork is put through it


Bolt on Axle:

Hub that has the threaded axle integrated into the hub itself. The hub's axle has nuts on it and the nuts are tightened to clamp it onto the frame or fork. Or the hub has threads in the hub body and you thread bolts into the hub (see Chris King Funbolts)

Mike is right :eviltongu

 

[Curb Hucker]

semantic arguments are trivial, especially when you get them wrong. The word 'bolt' in 'bolt-on' is a verb, not a noun. So weither you thread a nut on a bolt/rod/whatever, or the other way around, you are still bolting-on something. Or would you rather 'nut-on' hubs?

ever heard of a common reference? it doesnt matter weither the semantics are accurate.

my definition is better ink:

 

[dhtahoe]

my definition is better ink:

And he's only a curb dropper. I hadn't heard Brian say it in awhile :eviltongu

 

[Curb Hucker]

And he's only a curb dropper. I hadn't heard Brian say it in awhile :eviltongu

:devil:

 

[meatboot]

And I thought only persnickety law students argued about semantics. Since I can't seem to leave it at school I guess I'll wade right in. I agree that a "bolt on" hub (i.e. one with nuts thread onto an intergal axle) is different than a "thru axle" hub (i.e. one where the axle is separate from the hub). I think the confusion comes in because "bolt on" is also a somewhat accurate shorthand for the process of mounting a thru axle hub. I also agree that the exact terminology isn't important as long as the conversing parties are talking about the same thing. While there are plenty of people out there who don't know the difference, I think everyone here is aware of the difference, even if they don't take the care distinguish between the two in their posts.

On a related note, I've noticed a definite upswing in the stridency of posts recently. I don't know whether it's the end of the racing session or what.

But, the original issue wasn't whether the new V10 took a "bolt on" or "thru axle" hub, but whether it was only compatible with a propriety hub available only from Santa Cruz. If the customer truly demonstrates ignorance as to the difference between "bolt on" and "thru axle" the appropriate response is to educate them, rather than tell him that only SC's hub will work.

We may never know what really transacted between johnbrittain and whoever answered the phone. But I doubt jumping down the customers throat in their defense is really the kind of public relations Santa Cruz is looking for from them sponsored riders.

Bring the flames.

 

[Cave Dweller]

Ummm......

The guy didn't actually say which V10 he was getting.

The new V10 uses a 150 x 12mm thru axle

The old V10 uses a 140 x 14(?) thru axle hub.

So, if your getting an old V10 frame then no the 150 hub you have will not work.

-Matt

 

[shocktower]

Hadley make the hub for SC ,and I believe they have always been 150mm ,but dem guy`s from down unders might be using a diffrent system ,undefinedV10