WWIII thread
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If reporters would actually dig into the facts rather than just repost, lol
Its not stalled, over half of the vehicles ran out of fuel, broke down, tires failed and more than half of the russian forces abandoned the vehicles and surrendered to Ukrainian forces according to videos from reddit and torrents. The videos show hundreds of russian kids marching down the road with hands up. They say the old tires were shredded, ujoints broken, out of fuel or simply abandoned by russian kids knowing they are being duped. More importantly nearly all of that convoy was infantry or support vehicles, not much for tactical elements. The sub reddits to watch under #ukraine are #warcrimes #combatfootage. Those have been the real story for me.
Updated sanctions to the best of my ability, either the perspective company is being sanction or is sanctioning, you get the drift
- SWIFT move
- Nord Stream 2
- OFAC sanctions
- Russia’s tech supply stopped
- UK financial restrictions
- Airspace bans
- Russia’s Central Bank freeze
- EU sanctions and froze personal assets of Vladimir Putin, Sergei Lavrov
- Over 600 russians assets stopped
- Canadas sanctions
- UK sanctions
- Japans sanctions
- New Zealands sanctions
- Australia sanctions
- Taiwan sanctions
- Turkey sanctions
- Poland sanctions
- South Korea sanctions
- Czech sanctions
- Maritime sanctions
- International trade shipping commerce sanctions
- Russian banks cut off from US Dollar
- Champions League, Formula 1,Olympics, Rugby, skating, hockey
- Visa
- Mastercard
- Raiffeisen Bank
- Coca-cola
- Vodka import/exports
- Harley davidson
- Volvo
- Renault
- Boeing
- Airbus
- Shell
- BP
- Exxon
- Gazprom
- Equinor
- Orsted
- Siemens Energy
- Total energies
- KPMG LLP
- Carlsburg breweries
- Danone
- General motors
- Volkswagon
- Mercedes
- Daimler
- Ford
- Mazda
- Mitsubishi
- Jaguar
- Land rover
- Aston Martin
- Honda
- BMW
- Allen & Overy and Clifford Chance lawfirms
- Linklaters
- McKinsey & Co.’s global
- Baker McKenzie
- Aercap
- Lufthansa
- Norway’s sovereign wealth fund
- TotalEnergies SE
- Equinor ASA
- Google pay
- Apple pay
- Apple
- Dell
- Ericsson
- MSC
- Aimco
- Sony
- Disney
- Warner media
- Paramount
- Live nation
- Pixar
- Netflix
- Directv
- Roku
- Maersk
- MSC Mediterranean Shipping Company
- Sandvik
- Ocean network
- UPS
- Youtube
- Meta
- Snapchat
- Tiktok
- Microsoft
- Nokia
- Vogue group Fashion
- addidas
- Nike
- Equinor
- Fontera
- Coinbase
- Binance
- MSN
- United airlines
- Sberbank
- Centrica
- JP morgan
- Now all sports
- Anonymous attacks
i'd been following although clearly not as closely as you. i posted that to the effect that it *remains* stalled, and stalled in the loosest definition in that it is making no progress towards its intended goal.
i'm trying not to fall too far down the rabbit hole on this, so i appreciate your updates / corrections.
I know that most wars are started over resources, but FUCK. Start WW3 over them? Fuck Putin.
Lot of people beating the war drum whose exposure to this consists of yelling on TV and arguing on the internet.As the father of 3 draft-aged men... I feel this acutely.
Seems to be the overwhelming standard at this point, the ukraine is really doing a good job of getting this info out, its the media channels that arent sharing it. I feel for those kids, Combat is scary enough when you are trained, outfitted and supported well enough for a legitimate fight but these kids were simply fed to the fray.
Just because some wonky YouTube channel says so does not make it so. I thought you guys were immune to crackpots??I know that most wars are started over resources, but FUCK. Start WW3 over them? Fuck Putin.
Read the analysis by Fiona Hill instead.
I just don't get how this happens. The Russians have had YEARS to prepare for this conflict, and this is the best they can do? A bunch of broken down vehicles, lack of fuel, and "soldiers" surrendering en mass?
Not a good look for a country/army trying to flex their muscles and convince other countries to take refuge under their sphere of influence.
aint that the truth, The more and more I read and learn the more I want to sign up but I think those days are over in within the next 72 hours.
i'm sure they want to get back to the families after all this, but i'd imagine there'd be serious concerns for their safety in returning into russian borders.
Its honestly a real insight into the lack of military strength that russia has been boasting for the last 10 years or so. I think they may have had the clout 20 years ago but after seeing this unfold it is a clear indicator to intelligence assets and I am afraid they will strike while the iron is hot. Normally this kinda of posture is what you see after months or years of fighting.
I am sure they will stay right where they are at until their country is powerless, Economically it currently is, as most stocks have turned to penny stocks and food rationing has begun. Ultimately I dont think those kids will go home until there is occupation or disarmament.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with YT and this Hill character - I was speaking generally about RU invading, whatever the pretext vs. the "real" reason.
But mostly to say FUCK Putin.
Then what, tactical nukes in response?
and then what?
and then what?
@gonefirefightin given the condition of the rest of the rus military, what's your take on the viability of their nuke stockpile?
Ignorance is bliss in a communist state, that is exactly why they wont open the bell.stocks can't be worthless if their market hasn't opened to crash
I guess thats what corruption does.
I suspect on paper all those support vehicles have had a lot money thrown in maintenance and fuel, and were all reported as being 100% operational.
In reality, most of the money was stolen by generals/senior officers and the gasoline was sold for cash.
just to play devil's advocate....
what if this bumbling, underprepared soldiers ruse, is a ruse? There might be some reason to lure Ukraine into a false sense of security, while biding time for ... something?
thoughts?
what if this bumbling, underprepared soldiers ruse, is a ruse? There might be some reason to lure Ukraine into a false sense of security, while biding time for ... something?
thoughts?
i can't find it right now, but i read a piece that all of putin's military ops historically, were more "special ops" than full scale warfare, and that he would only engage when he knew it would be an easy victory. it basically speculated that he expected minimal resistance in UKR, and would just roll into the capital and take it.
Given the condition of their rolling stock I doubt they have the hypersonic capabilities, maybe one or two but all that does is narrow down the spread for our defenses, which brings me to hypothesize on current unkown tech in defenses of things usch as space force, lasers in orbit and X51 tech.
When it comes to payloads the only concern I would have is quantity.
The whole onzies twozies launches would be very easy but dozens may pose a problem but only those in the operation would know the defense assets and locations of such. I would imagine we have MLRS, Phalanx and ADA positioned all around russia at this point as well as an increasing number of early detection flights and fleets, I am will to bet our new shiny penny of F35 carrier groups is currently patiently waiting in international waters near or around the barents sea and our four B52's are probably loaded to the hilt with laser guided JDAMS and bunker busters ready to scramble at the slightest flinch, rest assured these assets are essentially defense and counter strike resources. Nothing yet has let me to believe there are sufficient offensive resources in play for something like an invasion or incursion, otherwise you would see a huge contingent of M1 abrahms, strykers and bradleys sitting on the sidelines and they just arent there yet.
I bet they have a ton of warheads yes, but the means to deploy them and capability of those means I think is their limiting factor.
Ukraine is outgunned, undermanned and severely caught off guard, There is no way they would have a reason to redirect or even change the narrative when they are simply handing weapons to elderly and women to defend key cities. I think they are overjoyed that the strength and resolve of Russias military was a rouse and they are providing the only content that is worthy and useful to them at hand. I dont see them as contorting the truth besides, the candid videos and phone uploads is enough to justify the reality, the webz are literally flooded with he same content.
I seem to remember hearing an analysis like this...
But for FUCKS' sake... could Putin *really* have been this stupid? I mean... it's the fucking UKRANIANS, for the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The Ukranians have always been kinda badass, from what I gather. For centuries...
Hopeful it will serve as a wake up call to them, Putin is nuts yes, but china is a very calculated and much stronger military force than russia and that leads me to believe they see this as nothing more than entertainment.
Yes, but we can hope that the effects of this stunningly fast economic freeze now capable with technology might give them pause in regards to Taiwan (and Hong Kong). Obvious, I know.
we can hope but it doesn't sound that way, apparently China is wanting to delay things for stupid reasons, lol
Not the rhetoric you would expect from sensible peeps
Russia-Ukraine War: What Happened on Day 7 of Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine (Published 2022)
Russian forces captured their first major city, the southern port of Kherson, Ukrainian officials said. The Pentagon said that Russia’s advance on Kyiv had stalled.
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I read an article, not sure if analysis by Hill or someone else, basically describing what was happening before and after Shoigu's appointment. He effectively let the cleptocrats get rich on poorly executed "modernisation" of the army, appeasing both the oligarchs and Putin's inner circle, and all of them painting rosy picture of the state of the army to Putin. Now the chickens came home to roost.
However, that was before what we are seeing now In response. This galvanization has been absolutely insane.we can hope but it doesn't sound that way, apparently China is wanting to delay things for stupid reasons, lol
Not the rhetoric you would expect from sensible peeps
China Asked Russia to Delay Ukraine War Until After Olympics, U.S. Officials Say (Published 2022)
A Western intelligence report indicates that Chinese officials had some level of direct knowledge about President Vladimir V. Putin’s war plans or intentions.www.nytimes.com
thats what I was referring to, China was privvy.
i think i saw the same article, can't find it
They were perhaps privy to the action, but no-one expected the response. No one.
one word: Switzerland.
one word: Switzerland.
I was skeptical of the imposed sanctions until the international bandwagon jumped on and now it seems it will forever be a part of defensive strategy.
Name another time in recent history where a military leader executed a particular strategy with the stated mission of saving troops lives and bringing a rapid victory.
Yea.
Looks like someone just earned himself a post modernizing a fleet of shovels, pickaxes and buckets.
As will aggressive moves to stockpile un-touchable funds. Should slightly change some fiat market strategies, I would think.
Another reason why crypto is king and Ukraine is a perfect example of the principal. The instant exchange of over 30 million with a mobile device. As long as there is a data connection for the user to be had it cant be stopped.
I think I've posted this before, probably in the Climate Change thread: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-021-00934-2.pdf
I think there is a growing scholarly consensus that climate policy has got Russia a little antsy. I think it's generally understood that oil and gas are Russia's biggest geo-political trump card. As Europe moves away from oil and gas as their primary energy source as they pursue net-zero, this will weaken Russia's geo-political importance.
That article explains that if prices come down (when lower demand meets constant production [i.e. supply]), countries whose production costs are high (e.g. Canada and Russia) will be priced out of producing oil. So by driving up scarcity, Russia is hanging on to their geo-political advantage a little longer. Diversifying it's markets, and maintaining access to other growth markets (Africa and India maybe?) is probably also a consideration.
my 2c anyways....
Until some crafty hackers are able to break the encryptions. It’s just like anything, a cat-and-mouse game.