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What Russia is doing is fucking terrible and inexcusable, including apparently intentionally attacking civilians, children and schools. It should be condemned by everyone.
However you are correct. As I said at the outset, America has committed ongoing atrocities sice the end of WWII. I won’t bother with a list of highlights other than to include knowingly and repeatedly napalming children and burning entire villages and towns to the ground. Your civilian death toll is certainly much higher, and even right now, literally today, Biden’s sanctions on Afghanistan are starving tens of thousands of children to death and denying healthcare to many more. I’m not even going to mention what’s happening in Africa. I read the US news and it is barely mentioned. I assure you it gets more coverage elsewhere.
This is part of the reason why that outside of the Anglosphere, whilst normal people aren’t exactly happy about what’s happening, US calls for ceasefires etc are met with much eye rolling, and often just plain disgust.
You both need to just stop.
This. Both things can be true... and we can still condemn Russia for its atrocities.
There was a German article just a day or two ago about these butterfly mines that some people are claiming Russia is using, looking at the evidence for it. Of course, they are banned by the international community as they ate essentially an anti-civilian weapon. And guess who invented and first used them — on civilians? The US. Children are still suffering and dying from birth defects from depleted uranium in the ME. It just goes on and on.
This Irish lady says it well:
since the discussion has turned to the politicisation of the press, and public opinion, I read yesterday (it may be old news) that three Fox News employees were killed in Ukraine. [this is an honest question, I really don't want Fox cookies on my computer] Has Fox News changed its editorial stance on Russia (i.e. are the Russian-loving pundits like Hannity and Carlson still allowed to be dumbasses on air?
We have also supported murder, rape, and other tortures in many countries in Latin America, and we're still fucking around there in support of corporate exploitation.
I know you hate Twitter but watch the Irish lady.
I just looked at their website, that is certainly towing the ‘party line’ now (‘Putin bad’) in the editorial, in the comments, not so much…
On the issue of what's happening in Afghanistan now, as much as I agree that it's a terrible humanitarian catastrophe that needs to be addressed, I wonder if it's entirely fair to say the US has turned their backs on them because of the colour of their skin. I mean, they did go to war there, for many many (many many many) years. Sure you can argue it was a half assed attempt, but fuck man, they were there for a long time.
Also, doesn't the US (or any other country) immediately get lambasted for "interfering" in another countries affairs and acting like the "world police" the second they send troops or weapons to other countries?
Growing up, multilateralism and international global institutions like the UN and its agencies seemed to me like the only way world could operate without imploding. I still believe that. but there has to be a certain element of "keep your own house in order" doesn't there? no one country, or group of countries can go around imposing their will, or way of thinking on others, can they? I agree if it gets egregious, the international community needs to step in (I once had a conversation in my lunch room with an Inuit, a Hungarian Jew, and a Rwandan - all of whom had close interactions with holocosts). But isn't it fair to say the international community tried in Afghanistan?
I think there are other examples that Irish lady doesn't mention (what of them?) - Ethiopia, Sudan, Uganda, Myanmar all come to mind (and there are obviously more that I can't think of now, or don't know about). I don't think she's entirely wrong, but why stop with Afghanistan?
Also, to a previous point (and before Woo jumps down my throat for not caring about corporate greed), I also think some limits need to be placed on "western" companies doing business in countries that have less than stellar transparency and human rights records. If we let corporations run those countries, we are taking away the populations agency over their own governments and lives. We have to hold corporations to account as much as governments, if not more. it may take our standard of living here in the west down a notch or eight, but if we don't, all this shit will continue, unabated, over and over and over again.
So yeah, I don't think its fair to say the US or the international community has abandoned Afghanistan, but I do think we need to start holding our corporations to account. (and before anyone posts a link to Canadian mining companies and their abysmal environmental and human rights record around the world, yes, I am very aware of their abuses...)
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hopefully, after a long enough period of being fed the 'party line', the commenters will also eventually come around?
The long time was because a) a majority don’t care enough about Afghanistanis (brown people are terrorists) and b) the military industrial complex. This was US corporate socialism. Basically the latest excuse to justify 70bn pa of your tax dollars going to Raython etc.
Yes, but they still keep doing it.
Yup, agree. There shouldn’t be vetos at ghe UN and everyone should be forced to comply. Unfortunately in the real world, the real problem actors have vetos.
I expect she only has a few minutes for her speech.
Absolutely. You can make a strong argument that unregulated capitalism is the root cause of all of this. Greed in other words. I strongly support massive regulation of these systems. I would say I sm a democratic socialist, although I’m getting increasingly less sure about the democracy part, as some ancient Greek dude said, democracy relies on a well educated and informed population. That condition seems to get less and less true.
American civilian killed in Ukraine today was from Driggs.
I find it awfully odd that they chose Ukraine for his partner to get treatment for MS, but life (death?) is weird that way.
I find it awfully odd that they chose Ukraine for his partner to get treatment for MS, but life (death?) is weird that way.
The lag time seems to be measured in years.
better than nothing?
you really think it's Jesus? I think it's the idiots who twist his story to suit their desires.
I say fuck those preachers and the horses they rode in on.
These companies continue to do business in Russia
Although public pressure is building on major businesses to exit the country, a number of prominent players remain.
www.cbsnews.com
Damn! The first step toward a better life for these poor people is having you little cunts getting the fuck away...
Their core psychopathy still seems to be hatred of ‘the dems’. All other national and international events seem to be viewed through that lens. Go into any Fox comments section and you’ll almost certainly find mention of stolen elections, Hunter’s laptop, literally still ‘her emails’, anteefaaah, and LGBT+ hate.
Ancient Greek dudes who wrote kept slaves and made slaves of women. His "well educated and informed" minority depended on such slaves to give him the leisure to think and write. A bunch of European "civilization" evolved from their crap.
Life is complicated (and our societies and systems grow ever more complex which is a whole new worrying problem). Now we have electricity and washer dryers, and the entire sum of human knowledge at our fingertips, but without good core education 30% of Americans think pedo reptiles are a thing and Trump is a good guy.
OK even for me we’re getting off topic now. Or are we?
You’d get on with my wife. She also occasionally laments that we ever came down from the trees.
I pretty much agree with her.
Mebbe we start a topic on the evolution of what we call civilization, and you're correct, the off-topic detours are frustratingly common.
While the gesture is nice, from what I have heard I think it will fall on deaf ears.
When sons and daughters are taking to family in Russia while bombs are falling and the family does not believe them, then I don't think Arnie stands a chance.
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the preachers kid agrees wholeheartedly that. those who go out of their way to interject their religious views into others' lives, particularly at a time when people are at their most vulnerable, can get fucked.
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Soviet-style purges are apparently just around the corner again
Here’s what experts heard in Vladimir Putin’s speech about ‘cleansing’ Russia of ‘traitors’ | The Star
Here’s what experts heard in Vladimir Putin’s speech about ‘cleansing’ Russia of ‘traitors’ | The Star
Was just about to poopdeck that story.
Here it is anyway.
Putin says Russia must undergo a 'self-cleansing of society' to purge 'bastards and traitors' as thousands flee the country
Putin said the "self-cleansing of society" would "strengthen our country, our solidarity, togetherness, and our readiness."
www.businessinsider.com
These companies continue to do business in Russia
Although public pressure is building on major businesses to exit the country, a number of prominent players remain.
Im starting to believe Russia needs to undergo a surprising, unexpectedly bright, reactive energy event.Was just about to poopdeck that story.
Here it is anyway.
Putin says Russia must undergo a 'self-cleansing of society' to purge 'bastards and traitors' as thousands flee the country
Putin said the "self-cleansing of society" would "strengthen our country, our solidarity, togetherness, and our readiness."
Not the entire russia though. Two localized energy spikes in the regions of Moscow and Leningrad might just do the job.
Plausible?
Am I reading that list of companies still doing bidnezz correctly?
Koch industries, Halliburton, and crypto bros?
Surely that can't be correct.
Koch industries, Halliburton, and crypto bros?
Surely that can't be correct.
Such stand up entities. It can't be correct.
"Herbalife Nutrition gets 2.7% of its revenue from Russia and Ukraine."
a titan of industry! Must really suck for those regional district sub-chapter presidents whose recruits recruitees are too busy war-ing to consume coconut Chai acai shakes.
Or do you think they have those in MRE form?
a titan of industry! Must really suck for those regional district sub-chapter presidents whose recruits recruitees are too busy war-ing to consume coconut Chai acai shakes.Or do you think they have those in MRE form?
2.7 aint nuthin. I mean it almost is but its not literal nuthin. Just cant do it. Just cant.
Im sure you caught the amway mention too.... That ever patriotic, justice minded devos family...
Doesn't sound like much to you but if you were an executive whose $7,000,000 annual bonus depended on that 2.7% it would mean everything. And of course you would be wholly responsible for the companies success and deserving of all it's spoils because that power point you had your assistance make was a total game changer.