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The 'orc' label seems more and more apt
I'm sure sean hannity and tucker carlson are covering this. I know they just absolutely hate looting.
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Shallow consumerism and status symbols are not new there. During socialism, there were always the haves and the have-nots - the haves (well connected to the party/government/army/police) having access to better local and western consumer goods. The have-nots would sell their soul to get their hands on a status symbol at least once in a life time.
Hell man I remember the secret blue jeans black market. Bitches was makin money!
There was never socialism in the traditional sense in the soviet union. They got a little tripped up on the whole role of the state thing.
I mean that's what the whole point of the soviet union was. They just used populist ideas like socialism to take everybody's shit and hoard it within the uppers of the party. Just like capitalism but far more overt and authoritarian
Birthed a damn nation of monsters. Credit due. You called it out long before I really had any idea of just how bad that country is. I'd always assumed putin represented putin. Seems a pretty rep of the citizens too.
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like the GOP, just because they called it socialism doesn't mean that's actually what it was.
Five generations bred in this shit, with regular purges of the more capable ones.
I am not going to argue with you about your dreams regarding utopian societies, but this aspect of socialism was 100% satisfied in countries behind the iron curtain: Socialism is a political, social, and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.
The way marx laid out socialism wasn't under an authoritarian iron fist. The very roots of the words socialism and communism inherently rely on social or community ownership, not run by a slave driving gang masquerading as a gov't. Both china and the USSR just declared their govts "the people" and took over everybody's shit. Neither were ever "the people" with meaningful buy in of the populace, with the population having control over the means of anything.
Vietnam is a lot closer to an idea of socialist and doesn't function anything like either of the authoritarian behemoths.
The means of production may not have been private in the traditional sense of citizens having private ownership, but it functioned very much privately, using the labor of the masses to benefit the top few.
That is the very antithesis of everything behind both socialism and communism as concepts. That's literally why the czars were overthrown. But they just recreated the monarchy and called it a political party.
Whatever anyone wants to call what russia is or was it's definitely 100% suck.
Vietnam is a lot closer to an idea of socialist and doesn't function anything like either of the authoritarian behemoths.
The means of production may not have been private in the traditional sense of citizens having private ownership, but it functioned very much privately, using the labor of the masses to benefit the top few.
That is the very antithesis of everything behind both socialism and communism as concepts. That's literally why the czars were overthrown. But they just recreated the monarchy and called it a political party.
Whatever anyone wants to call what russia is or was it's definitely 100% suck.
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Kleptocracy / oligarchy is probably the best description for the current state of affairs.
might as well just go with kekistan from some of the shit we've seen
Throughout the history of human societies subsequent to the appearance of agriculture, all the varieties have fallen into the grasp of hoarders/rulers, call them what you will. We are incapable as a species of behaving otherwise.
I have family in Vietnam, and it is very authoritarian.
You'd know better than me, I only read other people's accounts. But they describe the gov't there much more as servants than authoritarians. I started paying attention to a few expats during covid. Maybe a bad example or depends heavily on who you are.
And yup. I do wonder if humanity is capable of community on a large scale. Finland? Sweden? Lots of much smaller very "socialized" countries out there.
Weren't you in the DSA at one point?
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You can debate the semantics anyway you like, but the socialist countries had the socialized ownership of all manufacturing, agricultural and natural resources, the economy was run by appointed professionals answering "to the people", Marxism and Leninism and their ideals were taught in great detail in schools from very early ages on and were used as the basis for running state economies; and it all failed (and will always fail) because of this thing called human nature - just like JBP mentions above. Yeah, the ideals may be amazing if they fit your world view, but not practically executable without a very strong authoritarian regime enforcing the rules. And even those crumble and fall to corruption, given enough time.
......the people who ran the party running the gov't. Part of marxism is democratic. They ignored that part. Lenin was a violent prick. Kinda set the tone which is why I mentioned trostsky earlier in this thread. His version of marxism seemed far more in line with he and engels. Lenin just wanted to crack skulls and run shit. Teaching 'leninism' is just hero making out of an asshole. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.
Canada and just about every european nation are socialist when it comes to education and health care. There are varying degrees of implementation. Just because we view healthcare as a private industry doesn't mean it inherently is and doesn't mean it's inherently bad when it isn't.
Dismissing the concept outright just because of one or two horrendous authoritarian regimes who used the ideals for populist support is a little binary. I'd be kinda curious to see if the versions of marxism™ taught in the ussr compare to how slavery was taught in the south here in the 60s, white washed all to hell, and heavily manipulated to support a narrative.
I just don't buy that since the USSR sucked dick, that means the concept of socialized resources, even when administered by a govt is proven useless. It's in practice in a lot of different places in a lot of different ways, much to the benefit of the people using it in some cases. We have socialized militaries and infrastructure here.
I'm definitely in navel gazing philosophy here but I personally think confusing the USSR with socialism misses a few key points. It's kind of like confusing the USA with democracy.
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Russia declines Germany's ruble payment for gas after cutting off supplies to Poland and Bulgaria, report says
Russia's Gazprombank turned down a ruble payment from a trading firm Germany had seized from Moscow, sources told Bloomberg.
markets.businessinsider.com
What are the odds Germany will roll over like a hungry dog?
We'll have to agree to disagree - you live with your dream of what socialism could be for you, I live with my experience of what it was for me. I've seen what the marxism ideals implemented in my awesome, pre-WW2 democratic country did to my awesome, educated cultural people, and how they corrupted them to the core just in on-two generations. We were never a part of USSR.
I could go on and on (and I did before I deleted all that crap), but I digress. I think the US needs to go through a phase of a real authoritative government (Trump does not count, regardless how much everyone here hates him) before you'll understand. I hope it won't happen in my life time.
I could go on and on (and I did before I deleted all that crap), but I digress. I think the US needs to go through a phase of a real authoritative government (Trump does not count, regardless how much everyone here hates him) before you'll understand. I hope it won't happen in my life time.
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I am disappointed in Austria as well. Shit's getting real - gas and oil are russia's last resort tools of leverage. We'll learn how authentic the "EU solidarity" really is soon.
Russia declines Germany's ruble payment for gas after cutting off supplies to Poland and Bulgaria, report says
Russia's Gazprombank turned down a ruble payment from a trading firm Germany had seized from Moscow, sources told Bloomberg.
What are the odds Germany will roll over like a hungry dog?
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PREACH, WOO!!!
That is a great summary, IMO.
Actually, I think you guys are on the same page, more or less.
It is also worth noting that Germany is essentially already paying in rubles with some banking fuckery. So they already complied with the intent of Puddin's demands.
I am guessing the murdered high ranking officers of Gazprombank knew too much about Putin's money (flow). Schroeder, Scholz & the rest of the sad SPD crew must be sad that their cut is getting cut.
Don't confuse my concept of reading marx books as a theory eons ago, contrasting it with the ussr......... with discounting the bullshit that you saw in your own country. I'm obviously not informed at all about what you grew up in and I wouldn't even try to. I'm not doing that at all so I apologize if it seems that way. I'm just pointing out that one example (even an era) under the guise of an ideology does not wholly represent that ideology, especially when some of the key tenets were completely ignored when implemented. They used the appeal of socialism to stomp on people.
hell just read the first few sentences on this page and you'll see that word doesn't mean what they claimed it meant
Russia and eastern europe are fucked up because of what was done to it. You'll never get an argument from me over that. We just may differ on what we see as the source behind it. You knew what was coming in russian uniforms, I didn't, at least not to this degree.
I also agree that america needs a kick in the ass but I don't think gulags are entirely necessary. Trump was scary enough for brown people, even if the full threat never materialized for the white ones. But it was a slight hint. Only pearl clutching liberals in san fran think that was the worst of it. Actually, I just changed my stance on gulags.
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I can't be the only one reading this kind of stuff over and over and just going: JUST FUKKING DO IT ALREADY!!!
See? I am ALWAYS right.
A little Russkie Ass Kicking (I presume)
Edit: seems to be a simulation of some sort.
Edit: seems to be a simulation of some sort.
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aight
in my video editing adventures I did by necessity and dumb luck learn a good bit about a little program called after affects. And that's at minimum a pretty embellished video.
See above.
See?
I'm good.
I'm good.
that's not what they say
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who's ready for a good ole fashioned crusade!!???
They are ready. Not quite sure what they are *really* ready for, but they are nonetheless.
Germany says it's ready to stop buying Russian oil, paving the way for the EU to impose a full embargo
The pivot from Germany follows a new deal with Poland that will allow it to import oil from other global suppliers through Gdansk.
markets.businessinsider.com
Interesting read
www.wsj.com
Also a perfect example of @kidwoo saying that a lot of journalists plaguiarizing shit from Twitter. This seems to be copied from stuff Kamil Galeev posted that @StiHacka linked 10 days ago.
Russia’s Long Disdain for Ukrainian Nationhood
Even Russian liberals and dissidents have traditionally shared Putin’s view that Ukraine has no distinct cultural identity.
www.wsj.com
Also a perfect example of @kidwoo saying that a lot of journalists plaguiarizing shit from Twitter. This seems to be copied from stuff Kamil Galeev posted that @StiHacka linked 10 days ago.