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Changleen

Changleen

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We live on one tiny, delicate planet. Why the fuck are we all killing each other over subtle ideological differences? It’s all fucking retarded, in the true sense of the word. We’re all dumb as shit. What a waste of energy, time and resources. We live in a universe that for all intents and purposes might as well be infinite, bit here we are endangering our entire existence, fighting over a few thousand square kilometres and a couple of already totally outdated ideas about how we should govern ourselves. Fuck me.
 
Westy

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DaveW said:
Ukrainian war is due to "subtle ideological differences".

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::wtf:

wow, just wow.
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"I want to take all your shit and you to behave exactly as I say or I will kill and torture you"
vs
"I don't want you to take all my shit and behave exactly as you say or killed and tortured"

other than the perspective only one word is different, pretty subtle really.
 
Westy

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Russians releasing videos of them beheading Ukrainian POWs. Just another one of those subtle ideological differences.
 
Sandro

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Meanwhile, the Wagner chief openly picking a fight about ammunition supplies with Moscow and threatening withdrawal from Bakhmut is hopefully one of the cracks we'll see more of.
 
Sandro

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johnbryanpeters said:
I'd laugh, if anything was funny about this psychosis.
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Speaking of said psychosis, I found this perspective from a Russian political scientist on the evolution of the victory parade interesting, particularly that they only became military parades in Putin's Russia:
It is known that immediately after World War II there was no celebration of Victory Day and a day off on this occasion. Common practices of celebration appeared in the Brezhnev era: it is a symbolic-ritual construct, formed by Soviet television and administrative bodies - the direct organizers and decorators of these celebrations. It was then that the concept of the “holiday with tears in eyes” also emerged. Thus, in the Soviet years, May 9 became a kind of secular Easter, a day when the nation celebrates its symbolic death and rebirth, loss and victory.
Military parades for May 9 did not begin until 1995. As the state grew richer and the military-industrial complex pumped in money, the parade became a traveling exhibition of achievements. So every May 9 the authorities began to show what new things had been created during the year. This militarization obviously came from above, not from below.
The last stage in the evolution of the holiday is the “can do it again” trend. This includes children’s militarization and dressing children in uniform - as if to demonstrate the soldiers of the future war, which must certainly happen and end as gloriously as the previous one. That is, the focus shifted from veterans to those who would be them in some future battle, which would once again bring the people that joy of victory.
From that moment on, the idea that war is a terrible thing and that the ancestors we remember died so that it could be no more, began to disappear. Instead, the idea began to emerge of how good it would be to relive the beautiful victory celebration and achieve victory over someone again. The duty of posterity was now not to prevent the events that had caused so many people to die, but to not shame their memory and do something equally worthy on the war front, too.
The slogan “In Memory of the Fallen Be Worthy” began to be reinterpreted in an aggressively militaristic sense. This led to an erosion of the holiday and its practices, which are now disappearing and being banned one after another. The state has completely appropriated the holiday for itself and made it part of its political capital, put it on the map and lost. We do not know what will happen next, but what we had is gone.
The civil initiative of the Immortal Regiment was first taken over by administrative agencies and then destroyed by them - in 2023, it is simply forbidden, because it is “dangerous”. Parades in a number of regions and public celebrations in general have been banned because they are “dangerous”. The parade in Moscow has become a focus of uncertainty, and for the first time in decades, May 9 is a day when citizens expect something bad. Now a peaceful sky overhead is not a given, but almost a pipe dream. At the same time, we see the state trying to create new rituals, cosplaying World War II-it fabricates “Special Military Operation heroes,” creating memorial sites and memorial practices around them.
Russian society now demonstrates denial and displacement as its main psychological mechanism for survival and functioning. All of its energies are spent on denying what is happening and maintaining the illusion that nothing is happening. This is a natural but very costly practice and there is no telling how long one can live this way. Everything will depend on how long the current war lasts and how many people it will displace.
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Here are some thoughts from the Baltics on Russia's culture of remembrance:
Dear western journalists. No. Russia does not “remember World War II” on 9 May.
It doesn’t remember signing the Nazi-Soviet Pact that started the war. It doesn’t remember its invasions and illegal annexations of sovereign European countries in agreement with the Nazis. It doesn’t remember that the countries it invaded were neutral and had a right to exist in international law (and still do, by the way). It doesn’t remember that Western democracies fought the Nazis from the start of the war - while Russia was in effective alliance with the Nazis. It doesn’t remember its praise for the Nazis in the first two years of the war & how it aligned its propaganda to claim they had the same enemies. It doesn’t remember its extensive mutual assistance with the Nazis in the first two years of the war. In fact, it doesn’t remember literally any of the first two years of the war. (Check the dates on their commemorations today.)
It doesn’t remember the mass atrocities it committed against the people of occupied countries. It doesn’t remember the many “Soviet” lives lost fighting the Nazis who were not Russian. It claims people from occupied countries and other republics as its own sacrifice. It doesn’t remember lend-lease and other considerable allied contributions to support the Soviet Union when it was forced to switch sides to the allies. It doesn’t remember that it continued its repressive occupations after the war here in the Baltics, as originally agreed with the Nazis. It doesn’t remember the post-WW2 settlement that led to the development of international law, which crucially meant that borders should never again be changed by force.
It doesn’t remember the main lessons of WW2 that “never again” should we tolerate totalitarianism and aggression as a tool of statecraft. These are all key details for anyone actually remembering WW2, which took place from 1939 to 1945.

Countries like ours consigned to aggression in the Nazi-Soviet Pact will never forget WW2 in its entirety and the lessons for the world today. Its why we detest Nazi and Soviet totalitarianism. It’s why we annulled the Nazi-Soviet Pact to restore our independence. It’s why we rebuilt free, open democracies where history can be freely discussed. It’s why we support international law, the rights of all nations to exist, and all people to have their freedoms. It’s why we support Ukraine.
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Westy

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Sandro said:
Speaking of said psychosis, I found this perspective from a Russian political scientist on the evolution of the victory parade interesting, particularly that they only became military parades in Putin's Russia:



Here are some thoughts from the Baltics on Russia's culture of remembrance:
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Let's not forget that Trump wanted Military Parades.


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Sandro

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Switzerland finally getting its act together and preparing to pass legislation that will allow the export of arms to Ukraine. Would be particularly helpful in resupplying the scarce ammunition for the Gepard air defense systems and coincides with Germany quietly announcing its biggest weapons package so far, with more Leopards, Gepards, Marders and Iris T systems.

Hope Ukraine can do some serious damage with their new UK supplied cruise missiles. England, Germany and Italy might as well throw in some Tornados in as well.
 
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