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XT M8000 Brake Level Stuck "Down"

canadmos

Cake Tease
May 29, 2011
20,447
19,449
Canaderp
Grabbed the rear brake last night and the lever went straight to the bar and then didn't return back to its normal position.

I thought, oh crap, did one of the pistons pop out? The pads had been low for some time...

Nope. Pistons in the caliper were poking out a little, so I pushed them back in and the lever didn't budge. I tried pushing some fluid in from the caliper side, but that just ended up creating too much pressure, popped the hose off the bleed nut and got fluid everywhere. Retired to the bong shed after that one..

Is the lever hosed? Should I even bother trying to fix or just buy a new one?
 

Olly

Monkey
Oct 1, 2015
157
76
Is the lever hosed? Should I even bother trying to fix or just buy a new one?
Sounds like good old Shimano lever death syndrome hasn't been sorted for the M8000 generation. Your lever is very likely b0rked. Luckily new ones are reasonably inexpensive... :(
 

profro

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2002
5,617
314
Walden Ridge
I had this happen on the gen before the m8000 and had to replace the entire assembly. Shop told me that shimano recommends cleaning the piston assembly with achohol every time you replace the pads. Maybe pad dust is getting into the pistons and messying up the whole assembly??????
 

Olly

Monkey
Oct 1, 2015
157
76
Maybe pad dust is getting into the pistons and messying up the whole assembly??????
As @Udi said in another thread, it's probably this...

The dirty fluid keeps coming because Shimano use a metal-on-metal interface in the master cylinder, where the piston is machined but the bore is cast. The bore wears faster being a softer material, which in turn causes localised loading on the piston which loses its anodizing. The now bare surfaces are free to oxidise, so the black stuff in the fluid is just aluminium oxide + wear particles. If you flush it out with clean fluid you'll notice it goes black again quite soon. Basically once this happens, it's time to replace the entire lever / MC assembly - Shimano brakes are disposable brakes (best power and performance while they work though!).​