Since Gary can't make it here for a little bit, why not! (@Gary, this isn't personal and it's not really aimed at you. Just my opinion!) So the last 2 Thursday night rides 3 guys show up with their E-bikes. They tell EVERYONE how awesome it is! BUT IT'S NOT EASIER! Just faster! During the ride I felt like I was talking to "Chris Burns. Your companies computer guy" from SNL. The real Chris had his power fail during a climb. These 3 guys go into a tech frenzy over "how many times did it blink" to "unplug it for 3 seconds and plug it back in. It will reset the cpu" which Chris replies "I can't. I left the key to my bike at home." to "I can run a diagnostic test on my bike with my phone". WHAT THE FUCK? Chris (46 yo mind you) tells me to try his on a shitty powerline climb. 5 fucking speeds and powered by a Yamaha? I left it in the easiest and felt embarrassed. As you pedal, a motor kicks in and powers you. My God... He's telling me to put it in "turbo!". For what? I'm already in 7th fucking gear and leaving him behind. There's more power? Yep! 4 more "speeds". Here's the thing- It doesn't "assist" you. If you turn the cranks, not pedal, but simply rotate the cranks with your feet, the bicycle will accelerate. Are you comprehending that? I'm shaking my head that people actually use these and call it mountain biking. Phil (52yo) needs one cause he was in a car accident and f'ed up his knee real badly. 3 surgeries later, a permanent limp and the other knee was replaced 2 years ago. In his case, honestly, it's perfect. I'm glad he has an option to get out still. This past week they're insisting that I ride one. Phil brought along his other one. We did 7 miles and 1,000' of climbing. The whole ride they kept yelling "put it in turbo!" On flats, up hills, down hills, pavement, wherever. If I didn't say "My God" 50 times out of embarrassment, then I didn't say it at all. It didn't even have the feel of mountain biking. It's a little difficult to judge your line cause as soon as you touch the pedal, the bike accelerates faster than you're used to. Bad lines? Who cares! It just powers up and over those rocks! I don't think my heart rate was at 60% all night. Post ride, Phil was talking about wanting a new E-bike and was comparing his current "E" to his other E and the one he's wanting next year. In the middle of the conversation he starts talking about the "acoustics"... After him saying acoustic for about the 5th time, I said, do you mean the sound it makes? He said, "No, my acoustic bikes. My old non-electric-bikes"... W T F As far as those who say "I just take it out so I can do some DH runs after work"- That's the lazy way out and you know it. Pedaling a 3-6" travel bike is part of the ride. A DH bike? Push it or take the lift. I know guys in their 60's 70's that can out climb teens, and these guys aren't that into the DH segments. They don't need an e-bike and neither do the young generations. Pros- -I can write this after officially using one and I can't wait for Gary to chime in! -It will hopefully ruin strava. -For the physically injured/disabled, they can still get out and enjoy the trails. Cons- -THIS. IS. NOT. mountain biking. -Will make trail access a bigger issue. -Another problem that the LBS will have to deal with.