Why would I stop?
You finding top tube and reach measurements are all over the place?
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The problem is bro-culture pushing manufacturers to design all their bikes for 8 mile rides that are 2K up followed by 2K down and subsequently convincing everyone that they ride like that (or that they want to) all the time. While yes, it's good for this kind of terrain, even when you live in that kind of terrain you don't do every ride like that, so going absolutely nuts with it is just ridiculous for most people's riding. Getting the saggy low AS bikes to climb decently as far as riding position was a big part of this...but the scale is tilted way over to the other extreme right now, due to the above bro-culture and convincing everyone that they only ride Tiger Mtn.
Of course, the industry would like nothing more than to sell you a different bike for each ride...
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I can wheelie perhaps a mile around some bends up and down grades, shifting on my trail bike
Sometimes I can bust circles but it's hard with FS and reasonable trail tire pressures
On a HT I used to do circles, one handers, seated weird half assed bunnyhops up curbs during the wheelies, ya know round the block flip a U turn in the driveway wheelie down on the rear brake not pedaling maybe do a little no footer and wheelie round the block the other way. That was back in my bmx days before I realized mtbs were meant for trails. I don't have an HT but pretty sure I can still do that stuff if I had one for a day or two.
Tldr
Yes sometimes I do seated wheelies.
^ I won't watch that because lock-outs suck but IME the only implementation that was kinda OK was CC's that slowed down the rebound as well. That said, I blew that shock when I hit an unexpected bump when locked out and that was the end of my interest in CC shocks on trail bikes.
Unless you are a fatty 32 mm stanchions are fine. However, if you are a fatty then 26" wheels are actually the best option.
Speak for yourself! From 2005-2009 my main bike was an Uzzi VPX. Yes, it was ridden all over Oregon: Blackrock, local McDonald Dunn forest, coast mountains, Ashland, McKenzie River trail, Oakridge, up and down!
So thats why I have 38mm stanchions. DAMMITUnless you are a fatty 32 mm stanchions are fine. However, if you are a fatty then 26" wheels are actually the best option.
Well to be fair... this is the 'Downhill/Freeride' forum and "enduro" bikes are more or less descendants of freeride bikes. Sorta. I guess.Nothing like a good seat angle argument in the DH forum
The way I see it is enduro bikes came from XC… they just kept adding more travel and at some point fixed the geometry.
I’m starting to think you guys actually believe the Industry lizards conspiracy thing.
If you ride with someone who is fitter and faster than you then a lot of theories get dealt with very quickly.
If you ride with someone who is fitter and faster than you then a lot of theories get dealt with very quickly.
How tall are you again?
yeah I mean, why would anyone think the bike industry is just profit snorting dumbasses?
"fitter"
lance armstrong in his hey day was fitter than everyone I know but I still would have paid money to have him follow me through some 40 degree rocks or some jumps, so I could laugh my ass off
definitely fitter, and definitely faster than me uphill though, no question!
Approximately 1 bald eagle wingspan.
The rider Ian was referring to isn't physically non-average. Just a freak in capability.
@ChrisRobin - you might look at wheelpath and the resulting amount of BB offset from the seat tube.
I don’t know, but my guess is the transition has a fairly forward wheelpath deep into its travel, so there is a good amount of bb offset to physically give enough space at BB bottom-out, hence the shorter ETT.
I don’t know, but my guess is the transition has a fairly forward wheelpath deep into its travel, so there is a good amount of bb offset to physically give enough space at BB bottom-out, hence the shorter ETT.
I don’t even know what we are talking about anymore.
Also, pretty sure half of the folks here are just internet bikers who may or may not own a bicycle.
Here's a fellow riding a bike with a slack seat angle, compounded by the fact that it's over forked, and.... with the saddle slid backThis does not make sense to me. If you have a slack ST, why would you squat off the back for cornering?
I ususally move more weight on the front wheel, especially on flat ground as the bikes were designed for descending.
This is what I mean by squatting off the back
Steeper STA makes more sense on longer travel bikes. 76°- 77° at 165mm travel is the same as slacker STA on lower travel bikes. Steep STA on a short travel bike is stupid. 80° or more on any bike is stupid IMHO. My lock out is tuned to be just a little stiffer/slower than what it's set at. Helps get less strikes climbing tech.
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You mean like your 7' tall friend from SB.
Or a longer fork if you don't mind the BB height increase.
So there is that.
That's, like, your opinion man!
I'm a massive 5'8" and have my saddle all the way forward on a 76* bike. My old Sentinel was closer to 78 and it felt way better. Same reach, same ETT. I run a 32x50 setup, and the local climbs are about 1,000 ft in 3 miles.
the amount of polarization leaves me wondering....
short legs long torso = preference for slack STA?
long legs short torso = preference for steep STA?
perhaps also some shin to femur ratios somewhere in there as well?
short legs long torso = preference for slack STA?
long legs short torso = preference for steep STA?
perhaps also some shin to femur ratios somewhere in there as well?
Don't dismiss the RM geezer factor. I think it there is a lot of "everything new since 2006 is shit" vs "Everything that is new is awesome"
Also I think it is worth noting that historically SAs on bikes that were intended to be pedaled needed to be fairly slack prior to the adoption of dropper posts. Try to bunnyhop a bike with a 78 SA with the post extended.
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yeah I mean, why would anyone think the bike industry is just profit snorting dumbasses?
"fitter"
lance armstrong in his hey day was fitter than everyone I know but I still would have paid money to have him follow me through some 40 degree rocks or some jumps, so I could laugh my ass off
definitely fitter, and definitely faster than me uphill though, no question!
Snorting profits? Like with a DUB bb as the straw?
I would think there are enough options on the market today, geometry wise, that almost everyone can find something they like and fits their trails?
Im revoking your right to talk shit on anyone discussing bike design merits and pitfalls
She's now out and proud living the life in downtown SF. She still visits RM on occasion too. Stunning and brave.
Anything "new" that addresses decades-old problems is acceptable and encouraged, but the major "fuck you" of up-charging for late fixes is not lost on people.
On the other end of things, making things "new" when the basics haven't been solvent for over a decade (case study: suspension that requires batteries when bushing consistency hasn't been firmly established, despite 2 decades of "opportunity") is an equally large "fuck you".
It's not starry-eyed youngsters vs grouchy old fucks. It's crack-head product management and engineering. It's what happens when major companies will only pay for wash-ups from other industries, or worse yet, talent that couldn't even get IN to other industries and have nothing useful to bring over.
Keep up that attitude and you will quickly run out of things to complain about.
I mean, I wouldn't try it. I have witnessed it, accidental test pilot was singing soprano and required a little first aid. It was pretty amusing.
Realistically product and engineering have to solve for strategic objectives set out by leadership, which are usually going to be tilted to towards increasing/diversifying revenue/ebitda. A new bluetooth dildo is probably going to solve that better than increasing bushing performance.
i'm in the short legs/long torso camp and have always sought longer top tubes and low standover. even on today's bikes, i still have my rails all the way back and find myself sliding my ass back on the seat a fair amount.