[bullcrew]

Finally got a chance to go ride, buddies guilted me into riding. Been working and hiding for month and a half slammed...

So we got the jump line, some jumps, step ups step downs and ladders...alot of hard pack rutted dirt and g-outs...

Completely amazed, it literally felt more like a coil fork...that was what I noticed most...
It did hold higher in lines and downhill, braking it didn't dive like before, and only place it reminded me it was a air fork was off a ladder I went to flat. It pushes travel ring within half inch of full bottom.
It got progressive really fast, and caught me off guard a bit...

 

[tacubaya]

Yep, Steve knows his sh1t.

 

[bullcrew]

Yep, Steve knows his sh1t.

Yeah he does,I don't know what I expected....I was open minded and know how the 38 feels , so I went in totally.neutral as well as a bit sceptical...first jump line berms and gaps I was floored....yeah the man has a good product.
..

 

[sethimus]

amazing, an addon that is as heavy as a coil, makes your air fork feel like a coil. praise jeebus /s

 

[bullcrew]

amazing, an addon that is as heavy as a coil, makes your air fork feel like a coil. praise jeebus /s

Only 130g
Still lighter than the coil conversion by a fair bit. Does add a little weight but I'll take the performance over the way it felt before the secus..

 

[djjohnr]

It's a lot lighter than the Smashpot (had both) and really does feel fantastic. One piece of advice - be really precise on how the seals line up otherwise you can wind up with a completely over-pressurised rigid fork. It can happen suddenly weeks after you've installed/re-installed it. I've had it happen even when I thought it was as perfectly shimmed as I could get it with the included shims.

 

[Flo33]

All these rider reports make me think I should give it a try and compare it to the Smashpot I'm riding since it came out.

 

[bullcrew]

All these rider reports make me think I should give it a try and compare it to the Smashpot I'm riding since it came out.

I was skeptical...kept an open mind and didn't like the grip 2 or the way it didn't play well with progressive nature of air...I love the fox 38 now...I was disappointed in the 38 and planning on e-bike tune or 4mm shim...if that didn't work sell it..

After Sundays ride , I am happy...really happy...

Going to leave it alone and now ride , I think part of the reason it was easy to overload work and not ride was I had a bad taste for the 38 performance wise...now I find myself wanting to sneak off to p-mountain behind my house and go ride...

Cant say it's for everyone but I will say it was massive improvement and it fixed alot of my dislike on the 38...I am happy as hell...


It does act alot like a coil,I run coil rear and the bike felt balanced

 

[djjohnr]

All these rider reports make me think I should give it a try and compare it to the Smashpot I'm riding since it came out.

If you don't find yourself between spring rates and the weight isn't an issue for you I'd stick with the Smashpot.

 

[Andeh]

All the reviews of the Secus are glowing. If I didn't already have an EXT that worked just fine for my needs, I'd get one. It sounds just how I like my forks to feel.

 

[toodles]

All the reviews of the Secus are glowing. If I didn't already have an EXT that worked just fine for my needs, I'd get one. It sounds just how I like my forks to feel.

A buddy of mine has a 36 with a Secus and the FAST damper and it is one of the best singlecrowns I've ridden yet.

I nearly grabbed a Secus for my ZEB but am currently trying the Zeb-Luftkappe instead. It's cheaper, lighter and I don't want to admit to my friend that his Secus works really well.

 

[Avy]

amazing, an addon that is as heavy as a coil, makes your air fork feel like a coil. praise jeebus /s

.
That is what I was thinking. Well,if you do this and that,you could make it better. Like a Coil?
Avy

 

[Avy]

Finally got a chance to go ride, buddies guilted me into riding. Been working and hiding for month and a half slammed...

So we got the jump line, some jumps, step ups step downs and ladders...alot of hard pack rutted dirt and g-outs...

Completely amazed, it literally felt more like a coil fork...that was what I noticed most...
It did hold higher in lines and downhill, braking it didn't dive like before, and only place it reminded me it was a air fork was off a ladder I went to flat. It pushes travel ring within half inch of full bottom.
It got progressive really fast, and caught me off guard a bit...View attachment 170164
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Nice shot bullcrew,and nice Shop.
Avy

 

[norbar]

How at risk to stupid crashes do you think it is? I'm tempted to buy a low end model complete bike and get a secus+avy + an ohlins rebuild and generally be a happy person by then

 

[djjohnr]

How at risk to stupid crashes do you think it is? I'm tempted to buy a low end model complete bike and get a secus+avy + an ohlins rebuild and generally be a happy person by then

I think any crash that would damage it would most likely have damaged your lowers. If you tend to thrash lowers, maybe look elsewhere, otherwise you should be good.

I have a Secus Fox footnut coming to switch one onto my 36. Hoping that since the Fox version doesn't need shimming to line up the seals that it'll be less likely to run into the pressurizing issue. I've pulled the Secus off my Boxxer just so I don't have the risk of that anymore.

 

[gonefirefightin]

This thread makes me want to touch myself

 

[vivisectxi]

I nearly grabbed a Secus for my ZEB but am currently trying the Zeb-Luftkappe instead. It's cheaper, lighter and I don't want to admit to my friend that his Secus works really well.

how's the luftkappe working for you? was deliberating for my 36; secus sounds neat, but i'm a cheap bastard.

 

[toodles]

Get one. I've had them in Pikes, Lyriks and now a Zeb, plus I've installed them for mates in 36s. An impressive little mod for aggressive cornering and steeper sections that gives you a fair bit more confidence in weighing the front end.

I will note that if you're after a playful, jibby handling bike and traction and support isn't your biggest concern, then I'd recommend the C3 air spring for RockShox owners. That thing really gives the front end some pop.

The Secus seems to do an even better job than the Luftkappe, but that shouldn't diminish the appeal of the Luftkappe. Well worth putting one on IME.

 

[bullcrew]

How at risk to stupid crashes do you think it is? I'm tempted to buy a low end model complete bike and get a secus+avy + an ohlins rebuild and generally be a happy person by then

They have a 12 month crash replacement which helps.
I don't even think about mine, I pushed some rock sections and didn't think twice about it...

djjohnr is right if you crash alot and destroy lowers then you may want to consider alternatives or a guard to cover it.
I haven't thought twice about it, my usual damage is rock strikes on lowers when it comes to the front end and destroyed wheel......that would cause a strike or two on it...not worried about it though...

 

[Jm_]

And shipping the bike in a bag with it attached? No issues?

 

[Lelandjt]

Is this on another level than the Runt? Considering the weight is Runt like a halfway step between stock and this?

 

[djjohnr]

And shipping the bike in a bag with it attached? No issues?

1. Remove wheel
2. Unbolt the Secus
3. Rotate Secus so it's in between the lowers but clear of the axle
4. Bolt the Secus back up
5. Reverse process when you arrive

 

[bullcrew]

Is this on another level than the Runt? Considering the weight is Runt like a halfway step between stock and this?

I have the runt but haven't had the drive to want to remove the secus because if how well it works ..
I may pull secus today and do runt at jump lines...I need to try it out..

Just hard because secus works so damn well...

 

[StiHacka]

 

[norbar]

They have a 12 month crash replacement which helps.
I don't even think about mine, I pushed some rock sections and didn't think twice about it...

djjohnr is right if you crash alot and destroy lowers then you may want to consider alternatives or a guard to cover it.
I haven't thought twice about it, my usual damage is rock strikes on lowers when it comes to the front end and destroyed wheel......that would cause a strike or two on it...not worried about it though...

I dont destroy lowers a lot. Just paranoid since I tend to build my bikes to be as hassle free as possible (my DJ bike didn't change a part in the last 8 years)

 

[gonefirefightin]

Is it bad that I am willing to buy a compatible fork just to try this out, asking for a friend

 

[StiHacka]

I have one oncoming now, too. Doh! I am thinking maybe wrapping it with thick shrink wrap until i discover the damage / safe use patterns.

 

[StiHacka]

Finally got a chance to go ride, buddies guilted me into riding. Been working and hiding for month and a half slammed...

So we got the jump line, some jumps, step ups step downs and ladders...alot of hard pack rutted dirt and g-outs...

Completely amazed, it literally felt more like a coil fork...that was what I noticed most...
It did hold higher in lines and downhill, braking it didn't dive like before, and only place it reminded me it was a air fork was off a ladder I went to flat. It pushes travel ring within half inch of full bottom.
It got progressive really fast, and caught me off guard a bit...View attachment 170164
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Thank you for the pictures @bullcrew . I got mine today and the foot stud is different - the wide cylinder is round, without machined flats for a 12mm wrench, but the bottom of the stud has a 4mm hex hole. Not sure if happy about that, feels like too little purchase for eventual removal later.

 

[djjohnr]

Thank you for the pictures @bullcrew . I got mine today and the foot stud is different - the wide cylinder is round, without machined flats for a 12mm wrench, but the bottom of the stud has a 4mm hex hole. Not sure if happy about that, feels like too little purchase for eventual removal later.

Shouldn't be a problem; torque spec is only 40lb. The only annoying part of install is waiting for the heat gun to get the loctite hot enough to liquify.

 

[StiHacka]

Shouldn't be a problem; torque spec is only 40lb.

Yeah, 4.4Nm when you're installing, with Loctite still liquid. How many ugga dugas will be needed to unthread it from the shaft with later, given the red Loctite? Removal of the factory foot stud was a major pita with a 12mm wrench, I can't see how a 4mm Allen key is going to make the situation any better.

 

[djjohnr]

Removal of the factory foot stud was a major pita with a 12mm wrench, I can't see how a 4mm Allen key is going to make the situation any better.

Did you wait until the loctite was fully liquified? It comes off pretty easy then.

 

[StiHacka]

Did you wait until the loctite was fully liquified? It comes off pretty easy then.

I guess so, I gave it a long, hot blast from a heat gun. I doubt it would move at all otherwise.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

@bullcrew , you gotta put that RUNT in for Moar Air Chamberz!
By my count that'll give you 4....

 

[HAB]

Vorsprung made a running change to the 4mm hex a little while back. I prefer it, because you can hold the shaft steady with the hex when trying to loosen the foot nut, instead of possibly having the shaft spin in the leg.

And the torque spec is super low. It's fine.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

So how is a lower leg service with this thing?

Remove body, remove o-rings/shims, tap foot nut loose then reverse?
Not too much harder than standard?

I know the smashpot kit I had was a beast to get the foot nut loose, way tighter fit than stock setup.

 

[djjohnr]

So how is a lower leg service with this thing?

Remove body, remove o-rings/shims, tap foot nut loose then reverse?
Not too much harder than standard?

I know the smashpot kit I had was a beast to get the foot nut loose, way tighter fit than stock setup.

It's easy, just remove the nut (50lb), pull off the body and then it's the same as any other lowers service. The PITA part is whenever you need to remove the footstud. It takes awhile with the heatgun to liquify the loctite.

 

[HAB]

So how is a lower leg service with this thing?

Remove body, remove o-rings/shims, tap foot nut loose then reverse?
Not too much harder than standard?

I know the smashpot kit I had was a beast to get the foot nut loose, way tighter fit than stock setup.

Yeah, barely any different than normal. You just need to pull the cartridge off once you remove the foot nut, and take a little care not to bugger the o-rings. It's easy.

 

[Flo33]

I know the smashpot kit I had was a beast to get the foot nut loose, way tighter fit than stock setup.

Really? Never had a problem with mine. Did change travel once, switch between it and the air spring two times and moved the whole thing to another fork, never any issues.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

I must of had a bad one, had to beat the piss out of it ot break it loose.
The guy I sold it to actually snapped it trying to break it loose....

 

[Mo(n)arch]

So what's the bottomline?
I have a new to me Yari 170mm and a MST cartridge for it. Shock will be coilsprung.
Not too sure atm if I want modify the spring in some sort, but I am tempted.
Should I go coil-coil or Secus-coil on the rig?