how tall are you?You're right that the GL could be longer in the front, but I did measure mine at 21.5"tt, center of seat tube to center of head tube.
nice. how tall are you and how has it treated you?I just installed the Mosh Crispy 6 bar on my Lee.
the cs's on an early/mid 90's hoffman condor were just as long. 26 foot airs, hell yeah. . . . something to be said for stability.Dude...I haven't so much as SAT on a 20" since 1988. Swear. And they were a LOT different then.
And I was just thinking about something... I can't imagine how I got anything doneback then. Do you know what the CS was on a Skyway Street Beat??? Check it(mines the pink one on the right!):
I'm about 5'8". I like these much better. So much easier to pull up the front when jumping and hopping. Better leverage, as others have said. Also easier to land because I don't feel like I am nose manualing into everything.nice. how tall are you and how has it treated you?
It's notable how different things are now.... bars back instead of forward, seats slammed instead of sky-high, chainrings tiny, etc.And they were a LOT different then.
And I was just thinking about something... I can't imagine how I got anything doneback then.
you might like to flip the stem over. that'll bring the bars down.... looks fun though.7.9" bars. Feels ok in the basement, will have to wait till tomorrow to ride it for real. Funky frame with almost 16" CS and 22" TT. Very stable on jumps though.
I considered it, but in reality, it only changes the height about 1/2". Might do it anyway if my 20" frame doesn't get here soon.you might like to flip the stem over. that'll bring the bars down.... looks fun though.
a pedal dragging bb height.So...what would be the difference between a "MTB" 24" with a non-suspension corrected rigid fork and a 24" cruiser?
that's talkin' 20" slammed short, at 13.75! I couldn't even imagine it, possibly on the verge of ridiculous, but would be fun to try, haha.THRILLSEEKA said:I found a Mongoose Ritual that the kid was able to take all the material out of the dropout to completely slam a 24" wheel into, looks like it BARELY clears the 24"x2.2" tire. Said the CS length is right at 13.75"!
Run an S&M Pitchfork and some 3-4 inch bars? LONG tt tho, like 23"
Center of axle to center of crank. I could move it up if my tire was 1-1/8 wide. lthumbsdown:Sittingduck:
Is that 16" to your axle? Cuz it LOOKS like you could shove that wheel forward another inch or more... I'm assuming you KNOW that so I'm not sure why I felt the need to say it...
What were we talking about?
Whatever man...Enough of these cheapo 24`s. If you guys are serious about a cruiser then look into something like an S&M or a Standard. Thats quality and good geometry. You will have to pay to play though.
exactly..Whatever man...
S&M - Plain 4130 w/ 15.5" CS (slammed) = big whoop.
Standard - 15.4" CS (slammed) = yawwwwn.
So what exactly did you pay for?! Those frames cost what my complete Haro did and my geo is much better.
You get a quality US handmade frame and a choice of your components instead of a Taiwan made mass produced bike with marginal components. I`m thinking you haven`t ridden for long or at least not much BMX. These companies are rider owned and have history. Haro is now a huge corporate company that still makes ok product but its just not the same. You are just not going to find a BMX cruiser with 14" chainstays. You may as well just stick to a MTB/dirt jum bike. I think you might change your tune if you held a quality frame in one hand and a Haro (Or something similair) in the other hand.Whatever man...
S&M - Plain 4130 w/ 15.5" CS (slammed) = big whoop.
Standard - 15.4" CS (slammed) = yawwwwn.
So what exactly did you pay for?! Those frames cost what my complete Haro did and my geo is much better.
I think you're going the wrong way with this...You get a quality US handmade frame and a choice of your components instead of a Taiwan made mass produced bike with marginal components. I`m thinking you haven`t ridden for long or at least not much BMX. These companies are rider owned and have history. Haro is now a huge corporate company that still makes ok product but its just not the same. You are just not going to find a BMX cruiser with 14" chainstays. You may as well just stick to a MTB/dirt jum bike. I think you might change your tune if you held a quality frame in one hand and a Haro (Or something similair) in the other hand.
Shoot man, with responses like that you can speak for me as much as you want!I think you're going the wrong way with this...
The quest Bulldog (among others) seems to be going on is for ideal geo. numbers, not contest of build quality. Build quality can in some ways help the ride of the bike, but the geo. numbers will determine much more.
(btw, I don't want to speak for him, but I'd put money down that Bulldog knows exactly what S&M and standard are and fully represent)
I think you're also underestimating the manufacturing power and technology Taiwan actually has. You cannot judge them based on their lowest end products.
I think we will soon be seeing some sort of cruiser 24" frames out there with CS lengths in the 14's, it's just a matter of time, the demand is here and real. Place your bets now.
exactly..
which model Haro do you have and how tall are you?
You said:I don`t think I ever said anything bad about non USA made product at all.
You didn't call Taiwan crap but you put US-made on a pedestal, which IMO is the flip side of the same coin.You get a quality US handmade frame ... instead of a Taiwan made mass produced bike
Well, not all Taiwan bikes are the same. In fact, the last cruiser I had (Still have the frame) was an overseas made Direct Link. I don`t think I ever said anything bad about non USA made product at all. And I have no problem running Chinese forged chromoly crankshafts and connecting rods in my VW`s either. I do believe that for the most part the complete bikes that are coming out of there leave a lot to be desired but again you get what you pay for. Some of the US companies will make what you want but it gets really expensive. Ride what workss for you and what you can afford. I don`t know... it seems that a lot of guys here will spend $600.00 plus for a 24 or 26 MTB (Or whatever they are called) frame but will turn around and ride a General Lee econo cruiser.
thank you, this is the info i have been looking for! you're the same height as me so that helps a lot. i was looking at the new haro x24 and it got me thinking about it. it seems long enough to fit me and the other Geo numbers are the best i've seen. i mite have to look into it..although i will have to get rid of one of my bikes if i want to get it (in this case my 20 or 26"...). its tough..really don't know if i could part with either one. if i ended up really diggin' it i could maybe even part with both and be happy.I'm 6'1" and currently 250+. I look like a gorilla on a 20" and no matter how big they are they will always be too tiny for my preferences. That, and I'm a MTB'er first, BMX'er second so my point of reference is always 26" wheels and frames sized to fit adults.
I have both an '04 and '05 Haro Nyquist R24. The '05 is much more desirable to me as it's quite a bit lighter and has much shorter CS's. Both were much burlier than anything else I could find out there at the time (14mm axles, 40/48h wheels, big tire clearance, happily runs pegs, etc.). As happy as I was with the '04 I had to pick up the '05 less than a year later because it fixed everything I wished could be better on the '04.
But mostly right now I'm just bored and tired of ice and snow!
We had a heat wave this weekend - two days of 30+ degrees! Started to melt some of the 4" thick ice on my street, though it's like a mine field out there now. Today's forecast....SNOW! C'mooooon already!Preachin to the choir, sister! I'm in South Dakota... I hear your pain!
The old "You didn't spend as much as me, so your X sucks." argument. Seen all around the internet in forums dedicated to everything from Beanie Babies to sports cars. I don't know about everyone else, but I think Bryan is the coolest thing since wet testicles. After all, HE SPENT MORE MONEY ON HIS BIKE. That must mean that Bryan is "hardcore," not that he's trying to elevate his social status with material objects.Enough of these cheapo 24`s. If you guys are serious about a cruiser then look into something like an S&M or a Standard. Thats quality and good geometry. You will have to pay to play though.