Trail bike tires.
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that design has been around a while, I remember seeing it a long time ago when they came out with it. Truth be told it looks like it has the potential to be a cornering beast. If, IF those knobs are close enough to the centerline, it might not be as bad as I'm thinking. I'd have to see it on a wheel though. Sideknobs that serve as the centermost braking knobs are backwards for better braking so it still looks like another design where they're throwing shit at a wall without really knowing what they're doing. It wouldn't take more than one change to make it probably work really well.
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Okay, since I'm asking about weird shit, thoughts on this, primarily as a rear tire?:
prestacycle.com
Some good photos here:
www.mtbpro.es
Wolfpack MTB Enduro Tires
ToGuard Compound Tubeless ready 120 tpi Color: Black Tread / Black Sidewall / Shadow Logos The New Standard ToGuard Compound From the inventory of every other past top tire, comes ToGuard Compound, Reduced rolling resistance combined with greater traction sound contrary, but the results are the...
prestacycle.com
Some good photos here:
Test: Neumáticos Wolfpack Enduro de 2,4 | MTB Pro
Probamos las Wolfpack Enduro de 2,4 de 29”. Unas cubiertas de enduro que tienen una forma más redondeada de lo habitual que te proporcionarán todo el agarre que necesites en las bajadas y buena rodadura para las subidas.
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Just grab some Butcher T9s on sale and cut the crap!Okay, since I'm asking about weird shit, thoughts on this, primarily as a rear tire?:
Wolfpack MTB Enduro Tires
ToGuard Compound Tubeless ready 120 tpi Color: Black Tread / Black Sidewall / Shadow Logos The New Standard ToGuard Compound From the inventory of every other past top tire, comes ToGuard Compound, Reduced rolling resistance combined with greater traction sound contrary, but the results are the...
Some good photos here:
Test: Neumáticos Wolfpack Enduro de 2,4 | MTB Pro
Probamos las Wolfpack Enduro de 2,4 de 29”. Unas cubiertas de enduro que tienen una forma más redondeada de lo habitual que te proporcionarán todo el agarre que necesites en las bajadas y buena rodadura para las subidas.
EDIT: Or if you want to try obscure Spanish tires, go with MSC. They have unused Maxxis tread patterns and good compounds (Miguel Pina, the brand owner, used to be the Spanish Maxxis distributor). And they are usually under $30.
EDIT²: just be wary of some MSC tires/DT Swiss rim combos. I've heard horror stories about having to cut the tires to get them off the rims.
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Wait until he finds out you plan to put those trail tires on your cyclocross bike.
I run a linkage fork from a dead company FFS
I honestly kind of want to try the Tioga as a front tire, just need a back tire to try out. Or I'll get distracted by something shiny and forget the whole plan
I honestly kind of want to try the Tioga as a front tire, just need a back tire to try out. Or I'll get distracted by something shiny and forget the whole plan
you can't go wrong with maxxis (typically), but there's enough other comparable options nowadays that the old "maxxis or death" mantra doesn't really hold weight anymore. the challenge is sorting the wheat from the chaff. hell, even i've moved away from maxxis.
new always trumps proven and effective
the entire industry depends upon it
those wolfpack tires looks stupid and dangerous on wet leaves
I know sales are going to be good this year, but I couldn't say no to 29x2.5" DHF EXO+ for $35 each. Although I'm not sure if they're Maxxgrip or Maxterra, either will work.
Maxxis Minion DHF 29 x 2.50 Tire Folding, 3C, EXO+, 120tpi, Tubeless Ready, Black/White
Labeled Size: 29 x 2.5 Color: Black ISO Width (mm): 64 Flat Protection: Sidewall ISO Diameter: 622 / Road / 29" Tire Intended Use: Downhill , Mountain Defined Color: Black Tire Type: Tubeless Ready Clincherplanetcyclery.com
Jenson has the dissector in 3c for like $45: https://www.jensonusa.com/Maxxis-Dissector-29-Trail-OEM-Tire-No-Packaging
They also have the DHF fronts in 2.5 3C flavor but I don't know if i need the exo+ flavor
They also have the DHF fronts in 2.5 3C flavor but I don't know if i need the exo+ flavor
okay I'll bite- what looks stupid on them, and why do they look dangerous? I legitimately would like to know..."reading" tires is an art that I'd love to understand.
the center knobs look too wide, flat and short to penetrate anything, the dumbass intermediate knobs are in the way of the sideknobs which are way too sparse and far apart
basically the food is horrible and the portions are small
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honestly the deliums are pretty cool looking, I could do a dhf copy front and their one-step-down trail on the rear. I'm just not sure i need the bonus flat protection up front and they don't offer the dhf copy in regular flavor
i've been running the DHF clone and assguy clone on my DH bike for 2 seasons now and have been impressed. clicking around their website the "light" casing only seems to save 40-50g on the models its offered on.
also, the claimed weight of the DHF clone in all around casing is about 160g lighter than the comparably sized exo+ dhf. again, claimed weights.
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pretty happy with this tire?
Bontrager SE4 Team Issue TLR MTB Tire - Factory Overstock - Trek Bikes
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Nice deals. This too:
Bontrager SE5 Team Issue TLR MTB Tire - Factory Overstock - Trek Bikes
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For a rear tire, yes.pretty happy with this tire?
Bontrager SE4 Team Issue TLR MTB Tire - Factory Overstock - Trek Bikes
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Nice deals. This too:
Bontrager SE5 Team Issue TLR MTB Tire - Factory Overstock - Trek Bikes
Enhance your cycling experience with Bontrager SE5 Team Issue TLR Factory Overstock Tire. Shop now!
Those SE5s are just the copy of the dh tire they made....which were one of the best tread designs ever. If their rubber and casing are worth a damn, those are worth grabbing.
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guess they still make them!
they were impossible to find for a while
(and no westy, I'm not talking about 26s)
I had the G5s on my DH bike. They were reliable and set up tubeless well, back when tubeless was so much less reliable. I really want an excuse to move away from a DHF or copy for a front tire, but the DHF/dissector or SE5/4 combo sounds just right.
just get two SE5s or two DHR2s
I don't know why people 'want to get away from' good tire designs but I guess that's how WTB still sells tires. DHFs are great but they're also not the only great tire.
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A) I can't fit a 2.6 on the rear of my bike. I'm not even sure I want a 2.6 up front. That's the only size on sale right now.
B) I want something that rolls faster and breaks traction sooner than my front tire. I was originally running butcher/slaughter but the slaughter died fast. I still have the butcher up front and it's OK, but I want a tougher casing and the ardent in the rear simply doesn't brake or turn well enough.
I'm not after an enduro setup, but rather a fast rolling lightweight setup that can still corner. I don't run inserts and the EXO casing had held up for years for me, so I don't feel the need to add more weight.
The SE4s are available in 2.4s and are going to roll better and have less traction but with a similar tread pattern. If you are going in that direction the XR tires are basically the same with a slightly lighter casing if that isn't a concern for you.
other than some dirtjump tires, I never bought any non-dh casing bontragers. Those things hold up okay?
I had an XR4 outlive a rim on my hardtail. Only a single data point but I was impressed. However I have only ran the SEs since then as I have no desire to play with fire and there seem to be few downsides. But if the difference was $40 I would try again. Also the rock around here on pedal trails have been imported from Canada and carefully ground smooth. DH casings for the higher elevations with pointy domestic rocks.
They'd be really good if they used the same rubber as the DH ones. They don't, though.
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Depending on what size you need, planet cyclery has DHF, DHRII and Assguy tires on sale for pretty good discounts. Various compounds and casings.
So the difference is about $40 in favor of the SE variety "5" tire. The weight difference seems to be small, or at least the difference between the SE tire and a Maxxis 2.5 WT DHF 3c exo is 20 grams in favor of the SE5, so that's pretty neat. That would be my alternate choice. I would be willing to go XR front and SE rear, but I'd be happy to pony up for the added protection with no weight penalty.
Kevin's review made it sound like he wouldn't mind a harder compound version.
Yep, I am looking at the SE5/4 combo for $85 through bonty or the DHF/Dissector combo for $75 through planet. I've liked my exos but would be happy to try something different.
I just started running a set of XR4's front and rear as a "lighter" trail tire. Just a single ride with them on the hardtail so no real feel back yet other than they roll fast on buff trails. The TM Grip rubber is 50a over the whole tread with 70a under, old ones had 61a center with 50a side knobs, changed happened in 2021 at some point.
Info on the casing and rubber for the SE tires in here. Bontrager needs to do a better job on their website detailing the rubber and casings.
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Will see how the XR's do as light trail tire over the winter and probably add some SE's for the bigger 170/160 bike in spring.
Info on the casing and rubber for the SE tires in here. Bontrager needs to do a better job on their website detailing the rubber and casings.
Dissected: Bontrager's New SE6 and SE5 tires
The SE6 is Bontrager’s entry to the aggressive trail tire category. It’s a monster of a tire and has plenty of knobs for predictable traction
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Will see how the XR's do as light trail tire over the winter and probably add some SE's for the bigger 170/160 bike in spring.
I have an XR4. I tried to run it in the front, but I crashed pretty quickly and it was sketch as hell. 2.4x29. I moved it to the back and put the gold standard DHF up front and it was much better. The XR4 doesn't impress me much, but it's "ok". Just not as grippy as I'd like.
I run an XR2 on the front of one bike, trying to replicate the Icon 2.35 I used to run on the same. On hardpack/not loose the icons were fun as heck on the XC bike and they measured out close to 2.5. The XR2 2.6 is just too big though, tips the balance in being way too slow and without more aggressive knobs, just lackluster.
I run an XR2 on the front of one bike, trying to replicate the Icon 2.35 I used to run on the same. On hardpack/not loose the icons were fun as heck on the XC bike and they measured out close to 2.5. The XR2 2.6 is just too big though, tips the balance in being way too slow and without more aggressive knobs, just lackluster.
XR/SE4 fan, been fine with them both front and rear unlike Westy and JM...I feel like I've been able to corner pretty aggressively on them, myself. Probably has a lot to do with local soil. The SE5/6 look like interesting options.
Roll significantly faster than anything else I've tried but retain a hell of a lot of performance despite it.
I still run heavier casings and stickier/more aggressive rubber on my bigger bikes, but for logging miles and climbs it's the XR4 for me
Roll significantly faster than anything else I've tried but retain a hell of a lot of performance despite it.
I still run heavier casings and stickier/more aggressive rubber on my bigger bikes, but for logging miles and climbs it's the XR4 for me
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Does anyone else still like the DHF over the assguy? I have one of those up front right now and think I miss the DHF...I kinda liked the dead zone...it reminded me to lean it harder...
the assguy's tread pattern is too Schwalby to me. The "throw as many knobs as possible, in as many orientations as possible" design approach is not my cup of teaI don't know if it feels slow or it just looks slow, but I always think the assguy is making me slower when I put it on. It's not a bad tire though. I think DHF just hits the sweet spot a little more in more terrain, but there are places that I wanted the assguy over it, like PNW. When it starts to get a little wet the DHF gets out of it's element.
That 'dead zone' is not a dead zone the way most people refer to it. It's those poorly designed sipes on every other center knob peeling off. Butchers, dhr2s, those bontragers etc don't do that.
If you think having an open channel between sideknobs and centers makes a zone with no traction look at the tire leaned right there on the ground. Both rows still have purchase and by the time you really are on the sideknobs exclusively, you're way past what most people think they're talking about. Also 'transition knobs' make some of the worst tractionless tires ever made.
Those ass guys are a joke. They function initiating a turn just because the knobs are tall and the rubber flexes but holding a turn and god forbid trying to actually keep control drifting ain't really a thing. That flex is also why JM talks about them rolling slow, because they do. Like slim said, it's chucking a bunch of tall knobs made of a softer rubber at a wall. That's always going to work a little but it doesn't make consistent handling, especially on the dry harder shit you'll be riding in california.