Trail bike tires.
- Thread starter Sandwich
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If you've been good with Exo casing Maxxis tires, why change it and add more weight?
If you're not getting flats and ride somewhere with round rocks, keep running them.
I rode on quite a few shitty xc tires that the MTB press praised for their great transition knobs. They all sucked.
Sometimes it is easier to see grip being generated by the space between knobs, not the knobs themselves.
Sideknobs are pointless if you just put things in their way. DHFs, especially soft rubber ones really do slide a little moving into a lean on hardpack, but it's that stupid sipe smearing, not the space between the sides and centers. People started saying that so other people started saying that etc etc.
There's a reason good tires are all kind of converging into the same basic design layout.....one with channels that let the sideknobs actually get to some dirt
those aren't the worst in world or anything
Michelin makes some of the dampest rubber out there IMO.........until it does that
I think I will. The bontragers are the same weight for a "more reinforced" casing. I'm not sure what that means, if the exo casing is tougher than the XR casing, or if the bonty isn't actually more durable, but a 2.5" wt DHF exo 3c is almost exactly the same weight as the SE5 2.6", which has the "enduro" casing or bead reinforcement. I'd gladly opt for more protection for the same weight. Maybe it's the tire compound?
It's looking like DHF/Dissector in 3C flavor as those are the right combination of compound, casing, tread, and size. I'll be honest that I would love to do something different partially just because, but as I mentioned I've had no issues with EXO tires for my riding and I can't forget when I first rode Minions in 3C flavor on my DH bike back in the day. It was a revelation coming from Nokians, Arrows, Tiogas, and other shitty tires. My biggest issue is sacrificing rolling resistance for traction- I know a lot of you guys ride hard and need supportive tires, but I'm not sure I do- our trails are generally super rocky, our turns are flat and slow or 180* bermed switchbacks, and loam doesn't really happen- it's all hardpack or loose over hard. I like to find a better balance between weight and support, traction and resistance, etc....that being said, it's all coming back to maxxis.
BTW- I do the same thing with my road tires. I really wanted to do weird euro Challenge tires last time around, but ended up with GP5000s in 28c just like everyone else.
I ran a semi- slick rear tire for years for the reasons you cite and as a whole, it performed perfectly fine, so long as it was dry. Throw in a little moisture though...
In the end, I went back to knobbies. Tire weight and width contributed more to the perception of rolling resistance than knob design did.
welp, I listened to everybody's advice, thought carefully, shopped around, then promptly ignored all of it and bought some used WTB tires that were available locally. $25 got me a pair of very lightly used vigilante/trail boss tires, which are now mounted and weigh far more than my ardent/butcher combo. They should be good for dinkin' around in the woods, and by the time summer rolls around (and I have a job again) I will feel more comfortable buying something else, should I need it.
In my garage. Because I foresaw the end timesWhere?
How?
Do they have any more??
You ride 27.5s?
Yup. Just put my last new one on about 2 weeks ago. Thinking about just quitting mt biking after I wear the last one out.
I quit right before throwing on that last one. I couldn't bear the sport without them. The one on the left still has tire mold whiskers.Yup. Just put my last new one on about 2 weeks ago. Thinking about just quitting mt biking after I wear the last one out.
When you finally kill that last one let me know. You could probably talk me out of them if I don't decide to try this biking in mountains thing again.
Will do. Don't take this the wrong way, but I hope you don't take up mt biking again.
I know.Will do. Don't take this the wrong way, but I hope you don't take up mt biking again.
That's why I took the picture for you
would you expect anything less?
I don't think these tires are gonna work for me though. They are heavy AF and the hard compound/2ply rear is a pig. Spun out constantly and the bike is like 2lb heavier. wack
No, and don't change. Just because someone else learned something doesn't mean you have to.
obviously the problem is that they don't have a weird enough colorway. maybe you have some turquoise or fluorescent orange spray paint lying around you could put to good use?
While I fully understand that the core problem here is sandwich, I think any double down or 2ply casing isn’t going to work for me. I was admittedly looking for more traction out of the rear, but were dealing with a ton of slippery leaves right now, so I’m not sure anything would bite.
I may spring for the maxxeees, or just deal with these for a bit. I do like the idea of confidently running low pressure though.
if only there were three pages of suggestions full of definitely not either of those
25 bucks is 25 bucks
I insist you must guinea pig MSC tires for your fellow monkeys. You owe it to the community after requesting advice only to ignore it time after time.
When did you start riding the wrong wheel size?That clearly sucked the joy out of your riding and pushed you to dirt bikes, which have smaller wheels. See....see....it all makes sense!
check when the last time you could buy those tires was
don't believe everything you read on the internet
I thought you 26'd your 27.5 frames?
Some of them I did.
But then people started making frames with reasonable BB heights.......and good 26" tires were getting harder to find.
Remember how when the industry was pushing one of the newer wheelsizes, every dumbass who didn't understand this was going to be mandatory said stupid shit like "just choose the wheelsize you like and run it?"
I actually did that, depending on the bike. Of course all those dumbasses are just on 29ers now......
I cut fork arches to get 27.5 wheels in 26" forks too, before fork makers realized huge fork offsets for larger wheels were an over compensation.
nah, those are surprisingly hard to get in the US, and it's impossible to beat maxxis at 35-40$ whether OEM or not. I might try out the tioga edge because I'm mildly retarded, with a dissector or rekon or something in the rear.
Here just buy these.
they won't kill you
probably
Verdict
The Verdict presents our most aggressive front-focused tire for days where relentless traction takes priority over rolling efficiency. Tall, chunky knobs dig deep into soft terrain regardless of how loose or sloppy it may be. Abundant open space between all knobs gives them room to dig through...
www.wtb.com
they're made for dirt
See?
ew, who would voluntarily buy wtb tires?Here just buy these.
they won't kill you
probably
Verdict
The Verdict presents our most aggressive front-focused tire for days where relentless traction takes priority over rolling efficiency. Tall, chunky knobs dig deep into soft terrain regardless of how loose or sloppy it may be. Abundant open space between all knobs gives them room to dig through...
they're made for dirt
See?
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If I were buying tires and wanted to try something new I'd absolutely consider those. Other than the centerknob sipes that are angled dumb, that tire looks like it would work pretty damn well.
This is how I know people buy tires based on brands and not whether they know what makes a good tire design.
truly dumb is this
Vigilante 2.5/2.6/2.8
Aggressive, premier and unwavering…those were words we used to describe the highly esteemed Vigilante 2.3 and they still ring true for these wider brethren. We simply dreamt of ripping trails on wider versions of our favorite aggressive mountain tire. We wouldn’t hand you spineless claims...
www.wtb.com
Nano
This is the #1 tire choice for Tour Divide, the longest mountain bike race in the world, stretching from Canada to Mexico along the Rockies. An iconic tread design paired with proven tubeless technology come together as one solid tire that will go the distance. FEATURES: Minimal rolling...
www.wtb.com
But that first one looks pretty legit. And it's made for dirt. Allegedly.