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Iran to hang teenage girl attacked by rapists
Sat. 07 Jan 2006

Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.

The state-run daily Etemaad reported on Saturday that 18-year-old Nazanin confessed to stabbing one of three men who had attacked the pair along with their boyfriends while they were spending some time in a park west of the Iranian capital in March 2005.

Nazanin, who was 17 years old at the time of the incident, said that after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girls’ boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless.

She described how the three men pushed her and her 16-year-old niece Somayeh onto the ground and tried to rape them, and said that she took out a knife from her pocket and stabbed one of the men in the hand.

As the girls tried to escape, the men once again attacked them, and at this point, Nazanin said, she stabbed one of the men in the chest. The teenage girl, however, broke down in tears in court as she explained that she had no intention of killing the man but was merely defending herself and her younger niece from rape, the report said.

The court, however, issued on Tuesday a sentence for Nazanin to be hanged to death.

Last week, a court in the city of Rasht, northern Iran, sentenced Delara Darabi to death by hanging charged with murder when she was 17 years old. Darabi has denied the charges.

In August 2004, Iran’s Islamic penal system sentenced a 16-year-old girl, Atefeh Rajabi, to death after a sham trial, in which she was accused of committing “acts incompatible with chastity”.

The teenage victim had no access to a lawyer at any stage and efforts by her family to retain one were to no avail. Atefeh personally defended herself and told the religious judge that he should punish those who force women into adultery, not the victims. She was eventually hanged in public in the northern town of Neka.
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Questioning the Holocaust is OK,
Cartoons are a cause for violence,
And defending yourself from rape is punishable by death.

Great place, Iran...
 
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Radarr said:
She was hanged. Last sentence.
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So she was (I missed that.) Where's the fun in that? How does the general population get to participate in a hanging? Did they at least let people throw rotten fruits and vegetables at her? See, that's the beauty of a stoning. Everyone gets to throw rocks!
 
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I heard she led the dude on.
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I think the burqa she was wearing showed her bare ankles, which is asking to be gang-raped in Iraq...

 
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I think the burqa she was wearing showed her bare ankles, which is asking to be gang-raped in Iraq...

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Well, certainly you must hide things like that. We all know that men are completely incapable of seeing a bare ankle and not going into a lustful rage of hormones.
 
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Guys...come on...I push the boundaries myself when it comes to tasteless jokes, but some of the posts in this thread...

I sure as hell hope you're not all as desensitized to atrocious acts like this as your comments make you seem.

I was having a good night.
 
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Welcome to their world, plagued by a history of religious hardliners, drastic changes in power, and betrayal by Western countries while at the same time having a desire to be like and respected by Western countries. It's a volatile mix that's going to create a lot of issues that are difficult for us to understand.
 
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kinghami3 said:
Welcome to their world, plagued by a history of religious hardliners, drastic changes in power, and betrayal by Western countries while at the same time having a desire to be like and respected by Western countries. It's a volatile mix that's going to create a lot of issues that are difficult for us to understand.
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Hmmm... Japan pre-WWII ring a bell? I forget - what happened with that whole thing?

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Hmmm... Japan pre-WWII ring a bell? I forget - what happened with that whole thing?

:dead:
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Well, it's more like Eastern hemisphere pre-WWII, but I'm not sure of your point or what exactly you're referring to. It seems like they did a pretty good job of industrialization/Westernization, but there were also a lot of different ingredients in the mix. Part of it is that there's no equivalent of Israel in Asia. Much of it has to do with Japan's geographic location as well, it allows them to be fairly localized and shut off.
 
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Ridemonkey said:
Guys...come on...I push the boundaries myself when it comes to tasteless jokes, but some of the posts in this thread...

I sure as hell hope you're not all as desensitized to atrocious acts like this as your comments make you seem.

I was having a good night.
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Considering the comments I made about TheMontashu today...

But seriously, this is a horrible atrocity and the point I was trying to make, poorly obviously, is that violence against women is unacceptable. If Iran had that attitude, this poor victim would not have even been arrested.
 
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Well, it's more like Eastern hemisphere pre-WWII, but I'm not sure of your point or what exactly you're referring to. It seems like they did a pretty good job of industrialization/Westernization, but there were also a lot of different ingredients in the mix. Part of it is that there's no equivalent of Israel in Asia. Much of it has to do with Japan's geographic location as well, it allows them to be fairly localized and shut off.
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I was referring to Japan wanting to be a Western power, which is one of the reasons they went into China. We call it "the rape of Nanking", whereas they see it as a campaign similar to what we did in the Philippines.

The US killed between 250,000 and a half-million people when we took the Philippines. We didn't notice the Japanese taking notes. They were taking notes when Britian got India, and when France took Vietman. Japan was just trying to follow the ways of the world, but were shunned for it because they weren't white Christians. They wanted to establish themselves as a powerful nation, espeically because they were isolated and nobody knew much about them - hence their reason for invading China. Monkey see, monkey do.
 
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I was referring to Japan wanting to be a Western power, which is one of the reasons they went into China. We call it "the rape of Nanking", whereas they see it as a campaign similar to what we did in the Philippines.

The US killed between 250,000 and a half-million people when we took the Philippines. We didn't notice the Japanese taking notes. They were taking notes when Britian got India, and when France took Vietman. Japan was just trying to follow the ways of the world, but were shunned for it because they weren't white Christians. They wanted to establish themselves as a powerful nation, espeically because they were isolated and nobody knew much about them - hence their reason for invading China. Monkey see, monkey do.
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Very true, but there are some crucial differences that effect the Islamic world. There is a movement to Westernize, but in the process Islamic fundamentalists believe that by moving to Western culture, Muslims are compromising the Shari'a (5 pillars), and ever since the age of industrialization there has been a cycle of moving towards Westernization while there is an opposing Islamic movement, becoming increasingly more polarized. It's hard to see where this is going, but in my opinion I don't see genocide as a result, there is too much of a sense of Islamic/Arabic/Middle Eastern nationalism, despite the divisions. However, fundamental Islamic laws will lead to things such as a 17 year old girl getting hanged for defending herself from rape (Mohammed would have called this a travesty, btw). Japan was largely secular, and religion didn't have as much of an influence as the Japanese virtue of respect did.
 
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Point taken. I should point out that I was only making the comparison between Iran and pre-WWII Japan based on this...

kinghami3 said:
Welcome to their world, plagued by a history of religious hardliners, drastic changes in power, and betrayal by Western countries while at the same time having a desire to be like and respected by Western countries. It's a volatile mix that's going to create a lot of issues that are difficult for us to understand.
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...Iran's desire to be like and respected by Western nations.
 
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Point taken. I should point out that I was only making the comparison between Iran and pre-WWII Japan based on this...



...Iran's desire to be like and respected by Western nations.
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Point taken as well.
 
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kinghami3 said:
Welcome to their world, plagued by a history of religious hardliners, drastic changes in power, and betrayal by Western countries while at the same time having a desire to be like and respected by Western countries. It's a volatile mix that's going to create a lot of issues that are difficult for us to understand.
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Uhh, are you trying to give any sort of justification for killing a child?

Screw religion, politics, culture... there is absolutely no reason for killing a teenage girl trying to defend herself, period.

As long as their backward ass thinking exists, they create their own problems and deserve no pity.
 
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However, fundamental Islamic laws will lead to things such as a 17 year old girl getting hanged for defending herself from rape (Mohammed would have called this a travesty, btw).
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I'm not so sure that Mohammed would have called this a travesty. I'll admit that I'm not very current with my Koran readings, but it seems to me that Mohammed was a very violent fellow, and the laws of Islam came from his teachings, including the laws about women hiding themselves from men's eyes and their punishment for being raped.
 
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Uhh, are you trying to give any sort of justification for killing a child?

Screw religion, politics, culture... there is absolutely no reason for killing a teenage girl trying to defend herself, period.

As long as their backward ass thinking exists, they create their own problems and deserve no pity.
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This isn't a justification, but which backward ass thinking would that be? Would it be the one that is part of their culture, or ours?
 
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Old Man G Funk said:
This isn't a justification, but which backward ass thinking would that be? Would it be the one that is part of their culture, or ours?
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how is our thinking backwards in this situation?
 
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how is our thinking backwards in this situation?
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What I'm saying is that you are judging them by our cultural standards (which still leave a little to be desired, or have we forgotten about things like Mathew Sheppard?) In their culture, which has been dominated by an unchanging religious view, this is perfectly natural. I think we are getting to see what happens when dogma trumps the evolution of culture and society.
 
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well, I'm perfectly fine judging another culture who's practicing extreme stupidity.

To say otherwise is almost condoning the execution of a teenage girl.
 
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well, I'm perfectly fine judging another culture who's practicing extreme stupidity.

To say otherwise is almost condoning the execution of a teenage girl.
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I'm sitting in judgement too, and I'm fine with it as well. I just want to point out what happens when people actually follow their religions as written. Our society has evolved past that point, their society has not.

On the other hand, it wasn't too long ago that women (or blacks) here didn't have many rights. What rights do we grant to homosexuals? In many parts of the country, it's quite acceptable to beat the **** out of a homo or even kill one. Before we start calling other people stupid, we should clean up our own act.
 
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oh, sort of misunderstood where you were going with that.

Yes, I agree, we should strive to improve ourselves as well.

Violence is retarded, except in approved sports.
 
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I'm sitting in judgement too, and I'm fine with it as well. I just want to point out what happens when people actually follow their religions as written. Our society has evolved past that point, their society has not.

On the other hand, it wasn't too long ago that women (or blacks) here didn't have many rights. What rights do we grant to homosexuals? In many parts of the country, it's quite acceptable to beat the **** out of a homo or even kill one. Before we start calling other people stupid, we should clean up our own act.
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Interesting link - http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-children-stats-eng

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Since 1990 Amnesty International has documented 46 executions of child offenders in eight countries: China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the USA and Yemen. Several of these countries have changed their laws to exclude the practice. Executions of child offenders represent a tiny fraction of the total of executions worldwide recorded by Amnesty International each year. The USA has executed more child offenders than any other country.
 
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Interesting link - http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-children-stats-eng

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Since 1990 Amnesty International has documented 46 executions of child offenders in eight countries: China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the USA and Yemen. Several of these countries have changed their laws to exclude the practice. Executions of child offenders represent a tiny fraction of the total of executions worldwide recorded by Amnesty International each year. The USA has executed more child offenders than any other country.
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Nice catch.
 
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Interesting link - http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-children-stats-eng

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Since 1990 Amnesty International has documented 46 executions of child offenders in eight countries: China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the USA and Yemen. Several of these countries have changed their laws to exclude the practice. Executions of child offenders represent a tiny fraction of the total of executions worldwide recorded by Amnesty International each year. The USA has executed more child offenders than any other country.
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Wow. That's really interesting. Literally, after reading that, I feel like I got knocked down a few pegs.

I'd be curious to see WHY all those people were executed. Defending yourself against rape is a lot different than, say raping 13 people then killing them.
 
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Wow. That's really interesting. Literally, after reading that, I feel like I got knocked down a few pegs.

I'd be curious to see WHY all those people were executed. Defending yourself against rape is a lot different than, say raping 13 people then raping them.
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Yeah, I was looking for that info too. Wasn't there and I didn't get time to look further.

The US is in some pretty grim company there though.
 
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Uhh, are you trying to give any sort of justification for killing a child?

Screw religion, politics, culture... there is absolutely no reason for killing a teenage girl trying to defend herself, period.

As long as their backward ass thinking exists, they create their own problems and deserve no pity.
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No, not at all. I think it is terrible. I am just trying to give a reason why they are doing it.
 
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Damn, I just noticed this thread. We better hurry up and bomb the sh!t out of Iran before any more innocent civilians are mistreated by their corrupt government.
 
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Damn, I just noticed this thread. We better hurry up and bomb the sh!t out of Iran before any more innocent civilians are mistreated by their corrupt government.
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Spoken like a truly oppressive dillhole. :love:
 
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