[Lelandjt]

I'm getting a new bike and wondering if there's any 2 ring guides that give the e*13 DRS a run for its money. I think the stepped roller design is a huge plus because it keeps good tension when using the small ring. I don't need the full bash ring so maybe there's something lighter?

Also, not needing to run a bash ring would allow me to use a 2 ring specific crank with better chainline.

 

[EastCoaster]

Get a Blackspire Stinger, save yourself some dough (since you say you have no use for a bash) and move on....

 

[Verskis]

I used to have old e.13 DRS, and now I have Blackspire Stinger. I think the Stinger is quieter and works just as well for much less money. It has stepped roller too.

 

[al-irl]

blackspire stinger FTW also the colour options are a nice touch for those of us looking to pimp our rides.

 

[banrider]

what about the e.13 2rs Heim chainguide? it's similar to the stinger...

 

[W4S]

you still have to run a bash with the stinger.

 

[daisycutter]

Wicked Racing's set up was the best I have used. Tragically the owner had a heart attack during a ran at sea otter a few years and passed away. I still have the guide set up on my nomad after three years with no problems.

http://wickedracin.blogspot.com/

 

[motomike]

I have a Gamut 2-ring guide. Its light as hell and bends every time something hits it.

 

[bizutch]

I just use a 24/36 setup and bash with a derailleur. With the right gears in the back, it has never messed up.

 

[cableguy]

Stinger is thicker by less than 1mm or so. It doesn't work well with some cranks like XTR. e13 DRS works well for me.

 

[Nagaredama]

I ran a Stinger for 3 years and now have a Gamut dual ring guide on my Enduro. The roller on the Gamut is superior to that of the Stinger. I kept having issues with the Stinger throwing the chain off the rings when I would pedal backwards (moving my cranks while pushing up a steep) etc. The Gamut so far has been flawless.

 

[IH8Rice]

E-13 DRS or MRP LRP

 

[roel_koel]

I a Stinger for 3 years and now have a Gamut dual ring guide on my Enduro. The roller on the Gamut is superior to that of the Stinger. I kept having issues with the Stinger throwing the chain off the rings when I would pedal backwards (moving my cranks while pushing up a steep) etc. The Gamut so far has been flawless.

this..I could not get my Blackspire to work consistently, any back pedal into a corner to setup the cranks and it would dump the chain

my buddy had the same problem on a different bike with blackspire

we both ended up removing dual ring and going 1 x 10 with E13 LG1 which has worked out better!


I've found E13 DRS the best dual ring device, apart from:

1. the lower rubber roller piece "flogging out" over time - the rubber becomes loose on the bearing and does not spin but the chain wears a groove in the roller as it drags across it

2. the bearings in this unit seizing (they are tiny and sit closest to the wet / dirt of any bearing on the bike)

as long as you pump the bearings full of grease from time to time (remove the shields from scalpel or sharp pick), and replace the rubber piece once it gets worn, it works pretty darn good

I've managed to jam a E13 DRS twice in Whistler, but a dual ring device will never be as secure as a single ring device once it gets really gnarly in the chunder and everything is bouncing about

 

[Lelandjt]

Agree on needing to maintain the bearings on the DRS roller. I do and mine have run smoothly.

I decided I'm going to buy a DRS and try running it without the bash ring. Compared to the Gamut and Stinger, the DRS has a guide on the outside of the roller that looks like it will keep the chain on better. After looking the DRS on my Bullit I think it doesn't need the bashring.

 

[amishmatt]

I agree with the comments about the Stinger not being ideal. Yeah, it's cheap, but my lower roller never worked quite right. It got the job done, but there was more drag than I would have preferred, and it never seemed to want to stay on the right part of the roller.

I'm on to a 1x9 setup with a Gamut now, and couldn't be happier.

Before going back to the DRS, have you looked at the Heim2?

 

[Lelandjt]

That just looks like a DRS without the plastic guide to keep the chain on the roller.

 

[banrider]

and it seems less bulky than the drs...

That just looks like a DRS without the plastic guide to keep the chain on the roller.

 

[Lelandjt]

True. I'm sure it weighs less with the more minimal mount and lack of guide, but I'm worried that without a guide or bashring the chain could jump off the roller of the Stinger or Heim.

 

[banrider]

the thing I'm not sure about is if it's possible to run double rings w/o a bashguard, as the bashguard itself is preventing the chain to drop off, somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[W4S]

the thing I'm not sure about is if it's possible to run double rings w/o a bashguard, as the bashguard itself is preventing the chain to drop off, somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

i tried to run without a bash on a DRS without any luck, I don't think it will work. The bash keeps the chain from dropping to the outside.

 

[banrider]

yes this is what I was trying to say to the OP...

i tried to run without a bash on a DRS without any luck, I don't think it will work. The bash keeps the chain from dropping to the outside.

 

[W4S]

yes this is what I was trying to say to the OP...

i know, i was agreeing with you.

I can't think of any 2ring guides that don't use a bash and derailleur cage to keep the chain from dropping but I'm sure you could find some super light BG's, i think the gamut is around 150grams for the complete guide including the BG.

 

[Kntr]

I have a almost brand new Blackspire guide with Lite God bash Id sell for $45. Retail is $75. Its super light. Pm me if interested.

 

[PhilipW]

the thing I'm not sure about is if it's possible to run double rings w/o a bashguard, as the bashguard itself is preventing the chain to drop off, somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

Pretty much all dual ring retention systems need a bashguard. The original Heim guide (woah 2001) had a huge flange on the outer edge that let you run no bashguard, but it was designed around a 3-ring system.

Oh, and the Heim2 is 150g with the Turbocharger....63ish backplate only.

 

[banrider]

thanks Philip, one question, will the Heim guide work well in a Nomad carbon frame or it requires to make some mods to fit it?cheers!!

Pretty much all dual ring retention systems need a bashguard. The original Heim guide (woah 2001) had a huge flange on the outer edge that let you run no bashguard, but it was designed around a 3-ring system.

Oh, and the Heim2 is 150g with the Turbocharger....63ish backplate only.

 

[Kntr]

The Blackspire guide is 90g and the Lite God bash is 60g.

 

[Lelandjt]

Solution found:
This all started because on my new bike I want to run a double specific crank for better chainline, rather than just an inner and middle ring on a 3-ring crank. I thought double specific cranks couldn't take a bashring but Lightning makes a spider that looks like it does, while still placing the rings in the right spot. I'll buy a DRS, try it without the bashring and then mount it if needed.

 

[frorider]

Solution found:
This all started because on my new bike I want to run a double specific crank for better chainline, rather than just an inner and middle ring on a 3-ring crank. I thought double specific cranks couldn't take a bashring but Lightning makes a spider that looks like it does, while still placing the rings in the right spot. I'll buy a DRS, try it without the bashring and then mount it if needed.

are you talking 83 or 73 mm BB shell?

i have several bikes w/ 73 mm bb shell and typical double ring + bashring setups, and putting extra spacer (or guide mount) on the driveside bearing gives a perfect chainline. so i'm not clear on the advantage of a double specific crank. what crank are you referring to?

 

[Lelandjt]

Doing that moves both cranks arms and pedals over to the right. The crank I'm looking at is the Lightning HD: http://www.lightningbikes.com/Cranks%20of%20Carbon.htm
It has a removable spider and they sell several options. The one I'll get is the flip-flop double/triple 104/64 spider. In double mode it positions the inner and middle chainrings a few mm to the right of triple mode. The big ring mount isn't supposed to be used, but if I need the bashring I'll dremel it to fit on that mount and clear the cranks arm.