It's no less ugly now than it was back thenHistory man... History... A little tribute to our roots.
Brian
It's no less ugly now than it was back thenHistory man... History... A little tribute to our roots.
Brian
I man i like that color just like the original z.1s.Brian, why must you insist on making the forks I am most interested in so heinously ugly?
Baby Jesus cries when he sees that color.
Baby J needs to grow a pair! That things a beaut! Is blue and red next? How about red, gold and green?Brian, why must you insist on making the forks I am most interested in so heinously ugly?
Baby Jesus cries when he sees that color.
You should read up on Pantone and their influence on color in many industries. It's actually pretty interesting.Now i wanna know how everyone seems to pick the same color to be the big color every year. Do all the designers get together and have tea and cookies while the pass color swatches around?
Where are the dual disc tabs then.....?:biggrin:History man... History... A little tribute to our roots.
Brian
You should read up on Pantone and their influence on color in many industries. It's actually pretty interesting.
Every year, Pantone picks a "hot" color. They say that it's actually a prediction for the upcoming year, but when the industry leader in color picks one color as being The Color, it's pretty much a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Pantone has a tremendous influence on colors in the fashion and real estate/home decorating markets. I don't know how much of that trickles into the bike industry.
We photo shopped them out... :biggrin:Where are the dual disc tabs then.....?:biggrin:
Where are the dual disc tabs then.....?:biggrin:
'02 Monster..History man... History... A little tribute to our roots.
Brian
IMO that would be HOT on the Sovereign.Brian, why must you insist on making the forks I am most interested in so heinously ugly?
Baby Jesus cries when he sees that color.
99 Monster was the best of the bunch IMO......they changed the valving after that one.....'02 Monster..
Never had a chance to ride a 99. Either way, that style needs to come back.99 Monster was the best of the bunch IMO......they changed the valving after that one.....
it did, totemNever had a chance to ride a 99. Either way, that style needs to come back.
You guys crack me up, a digital scale is no more accurate than a standard scale. I've got a digital voltmeter that consistantly reads about .5 volts high, I've seen digital calipers read as much as .025 off, I've seen digital thermometers that read 10 deg off. Digital measurements are not any more accurate than mechanical measurements, in many cases they are worse if the electronics have not been calibrated or are of low quality. Honestly unless you are spending big bucks for digital equipment I put more confidence in mechanical instruments.Really? On a digi scale? I find that hard to believe although you generally know what's up.
My digi was over $1500 and was used in a lab to weigh powders to the nearest .001g. It needs a lid so air movement doesnt affect the weight. Is that accurate enough? My 888 weighted 8lbs with axle, correct oil height, and Go-Ride crowns and stem.You guys crack me up, a digital scale is no more accurate than a standard scale. I've got a digital voltmeter that consistantly reads about .5 volts high, I've seen digital calipers read as much as .025 off, I've seen digital thermometers that read 10 deg off. Digital measurements are not any more accurate than mechanical measurements, in many cases they are worse if the electronics have not been calibrated or are of low quality. Honestly unless you are spending big bucks for digital equipment I put more confidence in mechanical instruments.
Actually with Ti you would be able to replace both steel springs with one Ti and have it be lighter than one steel,But there are other issues why I won't run Ti fork springs.Shock spring allwaysThe WC is the flagship, however the SL (air) is by far the superior fork. Also notice that on the site the SL is listed as 6.5lbs, and the WC isn't give a weight.
Fact of the matter is, converting two springs that weigh a measly 139g each into Ti isn't going to save much weight at all.
The SL does the right thing by ditching the useless end stroke compression cartridge and doing something more useful with the leg - oh, and getting rid of the springs all together in the process.
He didn't say that all digital scales are inaccurate. Did you read his last sentence?My digi was over $1500 and was used in a lab to weigh powders to the nearest .001g. It needs a lid so air movement doesnt affect the weight. Is that accurate enough? My 888 weighted 8lbs with axle, correct oil height, and Go-Ride crowns and stem.
Thank you, captain obvious.DHRracer said:Actually with Ti you would be able to replace both steel springs with one Ti and have it be lighter than one steel
I want to know why the new retro Z1 comes w/ ETA and not ATA. Weak. Love my ETA but actually having active travel when it's lowered (a la TALAS) is such a nice feature...
edit: ohhh is ATA only on air forks? Hmmm
What he is saying is that the better way to do this would be to make a single, higher rate spring in ti to take the place of the two steel ones. It is the only way to save any real weight, because, like you said, the steel springs are not heavy. He is not disagreeing with you, but he does know a thing or two about ti springs, like whether there is room in the fork for the wire guage required for a single ti spring, and if that guage would allow 8+ inches of travel with out coil bind. He's the only one that I know that has the ability to design 1 off ti springs and then make them if so desired.Thank you, captain obvious.
The marzocchi 888WC (the fork in question here) does not run a single Ti spring, it runs two. Also, you missed my point - which was that the 888 steel springs aren't that heavy to begin with, and the opportunity to save weight is minimal given their original weight. Opting to keep running two springs was a poor execution of their plan too.
Also, care to dawn on the rest of the world why you wouldn't run Ti fork springs? Afterall you seem like a pretty bright guy.
I would imagine that the ti springs would fit the current RC2X. It is the same fork. Unless Marz decided to make some change specifically to prevent spring swaps. I suppose that they might not sell ti springs even for tuning, just buy the fork with the correct springs and that is it...I wonder if Ti springs will be available for the older 888s?
On older 888 you could save about 1/3 of a pound using a single Ti spring.If that is what you want do a search on the 999(I believe that was a Mojo project)Do to cost,a slight weight savings and the fact that Ti is very abrasive.Springs at that length will have some buckeling and will rub the inside of the stantions.There are coatings but add significantly to the cost.I would rather save some weight and money by removing it from the mid section.I have not been into a 06/07 888 yet.Thank you, captain obvious.
The marzocchi 888WC (the fork in question here) does not run a single Ti spring, it runs two. Also, you missed my point - which was that the 888 steel springs aren't that heavy to begin with, and the opportunity to save weight is minimal given their original weight. Opting to keep running two springs was a poor execution of their plan too.
Also, care to dawn on the rest of the world why you wouldn't run Ti fork springs? Afterall you seem like a pretty bright guy.
Yeah, one with the lion of Judah onit would be the mutts nuts, and a hail to Haile Sellassie for kicking Mussolinis ass!How about red, gold and green?
Not true. I know it goes against the 'accepted' here, but there is nothing about titanium that makes it any different than steel as far as its use as a spring.The only real difference is ti's more progressive, so it "feels" softer at first. And it's apparently a bit more lively.
well after using Steel springs for YEARS. this is pretty much exactly what i felt when i switched to Ti Springs.The only real difference is ti's more progressive, so it "feels" softer at first. And it's apparently a bit more lively.