It will return, you can be sure of that.Shedding 500g and that ghastly yellow:
Thank god for that - I know it's the factory colour and all that but it does look damn awful.Shedding 500g and that ghastly yellow
They are currently $799.99. So assuming there were no changes to the wheelset and accounting for the price increases coming on pretty much all bikes/components next year, they would be around $960. Considering they are completely redesigned and look to be heaps better, that puts the new price a bit more in perspective.But seriously, the price increase is breathtaking! They cost almost twice as much now.
I disagree, everything, wheter bike product or car, gets improved when a new generation is launched. The price normally rises with it a bit, but a 25% rise is rediculous, greedy, and plain wrong. On top of that, they use normal spokes now FFS. They're a whole lot cheaper.They are currently $799.99. So assuming there were no changes to the wheelset and accounting for the price increases coming on pretty much all bikes/components next year, they would be around $960. Considering they are completely redesigned and look to be heaps better, that puts the new price a bit more in perspective.
Peeps, bike stuff is going to be real expensive soon.
and i can still get a 823 for $70 and a hadley for $300.^Raw material prices have been going up for a while.
My point was that they would be going up roughly 20% without the re-design.I disagree, everything, wheter bike product or car, gets improved when a new generation is launched. The price normally rises with it a bit, but a 25% rise is rediculous, greedy, and plain wrong. On top of that, they use normal spokes now FFS. They're a whole lot cheaper.
It's not about greed. It's just that our dollar is worth **** these days. The dollar lost 15% to the euro this year aloneThe price normally rises with it a bit, but a 25% rise is rediculous, greedy, and plain wrong. .
compare the #s produced within each sport.The motocross industry is laughing at us. Compare the prices of basics within each sport.
Yeh, so a big ass truck made out of a ship load of steel, and that today costs about 2-300.000€, is then of course going to have a similar price increase of 50-100.000€? Thought you told me that you passed your economics class.^Raw material prices have been going up for a while.
Pelo drinks more wiskey and limps more than Zeb Macahan. And he shared his bottle with you. Have a good recovery.My point was that they would be going up roughly 20% without the re-design.
Pelo is right - you will see next year.
I agree with you fully, it's the fundamental thing of every capitalist society. And the dollar has a good piece in that 25% increase figure. Some 15-20% of that $200, to be more exact.It's all about greed. It's just that our dollar is worth **** these days. The dollar lost 15% to the euro this year alone
True, the milling is a lot of job. The finance for tweaking/redesigning/improving a product, comes from the profits that their old products made. Only the exceeding part of the manufacturing cost, between the old and the new wheel, is put on that 25% increase.$1000 does seem pretty steep but... looks like they did a TON of CNC/milling on the outside of the 09' DeeMax rims, so I'm guessing the new pricing is inclusive of this. It also seems like 90% of the parts used to make these wheels have either been tweaked or redesigned, so that is going to carry over into the pricing of the product as well. Add to that the the cost of raw materials, and the rising price of oil... it starts to add up after a while...
...and if you guys think THIS is expensive for 09' gear, you're REALLY not gonna like the cost of bikes in 09'...
and i can still get a 823 for $70 and a hadley for $300.
Face it, they're jacking the price because they know plenty of people will buy the name.
Man, that is soo sexy you must have a hard time not ending every ride with a DP and a massive facial.I managed to score a new pair on ebay for a good price, and they are really nice in the flesh (so to speak). Saved a pound of rotating weight compared to my old King/823's, engagement feels as good as the King.
Plus they match the session 88 soooo well............
Man, that is soo sexy you must have a hard time not ending every ride with a DP and a massive facial.