They changed it in '11 or '12.. 1.5 headtube, iscg mounts, lower bb..That's because it's not a 2012 bike, it's a 2007 bike that hasn't been replaced or significantly updated because the folks behind it don't have any cash.
Better off with a Karpiel, at least they are cool again thanks to Wil White.
what needs to be updated? they just lowered it, slackened it, and lightened it up...it's a burly as f*ck bike that works well and is super durable, and rides really well...perfect pnw dh bike imoThat's because it's not a 2012 bike, it's a 2007 bike that hasn't been replaced or significantly updated because the folks behind it don't have any cash.
Better off with a Karpiel, at least they are cool again thanks to Wil White.
You know that things like BB height are also a matter of rider preference, there is no optimal value for each and every rider, track etc.? Some like it ultra low, some higher.14.3 for an 8inch travel DH race bike is too tall, yes. They need to get with it and optimize their geometry. Ideal geometry is no secret anymore.
I've got one. Had a 2011 and busted that so i'm now on the 2012 frame. All of the problems from the 2011 strength wise have been taken care of. So i've been riding the new version shockers for over a year. Coming off a v10 i felt right at home on the shocker. Its hard to explain but it just works. Its not made overly complicated pivot bearing wise. I was always having to tighten my lower pivots on my v10 but have never had to do that with the shocker. Suspension wise it rides pretty similar to the v10, however i feel it is even better in the rough. I run an angle set at 1 degree and also have offset bushing but haven't bothered trying them out.
Wish i could be more help but i just ride the thing. Only things i would change if i could are built in bump stops and water gets in the main frame so you need to drill a hole in the bb to let it out. There's no marketing bs with cove and it rides a treat. I really can't complain about anything, great customer service and the bike just works.
Yes that's what i always thought. But no water can get into the bb area from the seat post as its solid at the bottom. I learnt this as i had to cut the BB out for warranty claim. The water to my knowledge gets in where the shock mount/ pivot point are welded on the top of the downtube as under the mount there are two small holes on each side. You can't see these from the outside.So im not the only one? I have the wrong sized seatpost but use a shim and always thought that was the cause.
Karpiel is bust again.That's because it's not a 2012 bike, it's a 2007 bike that hasn't been replaced or significantly updated because the folks behind it don't have any cash.
Better off with a Karpiel, at least they are cool again thanks to Wil White.
Thank god, those abominations were so ugly they caused a disturbance in the force.Karpiel is bust again.
They may resurface because what went bust was their parent company. Though Jan had some crazy ideas (a flexy bike is good...)and their geo/travel setting really screwed the suspension. Not to mention I know of some cracked ones and to get it low you had to set it up with crazy long chainstay.Thank god, those abominations were so ugly they caused a disturbance in the force.
Yes, but 14.3 on an 8inch bike is outside the range of any reasonable rider preference.You know that things like BB height are also a matter of rider preference, there is no optimal value for each and every rider, track etc.? Some like it ultra low, some higher.
nobody wants their bb height to be too low, unless:14.3 for an 8inch travel DH race bike is too tall, yes. They need to get with it and optimize their geometry. Ideal geometry is no secret anymore. So the only reason for un-optimized geometry is either A. incompetence/laziness, or B. budget.
They are not 8 inch travelYes, but 14.3 on an 8inch bike is outside the range of any reasonable rider preference.
Yeah, stupid.Yes, but 14.3 on an 8inch bike is outside the range of any reasonable rider preference.
Can someone tell me what the big hang up with stand over height is?she has a pretty high stand over that i can see. 3 to 4 inches higher then most
Racking your nutsack on the top tube maybe?Can someone tell me what the big hang up with stand over height is?
That's what i thought and its a stupid reason. Any time that its actually going to happen a smaller stand over height won't help you.Racking your nutsack on the top tube maybe?
You asked the question, what kind of answer did you expect to get here on the ?That's what i thought and its a stupid reason. Any time that its actually going to happen a smaller stand over height won't help you.
I just thought there might have been a legit performance reason, other then the obviousYou asked the question, what kind of answer did you expect to get here on the ?