Alpine touring skis
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You know if I get out in there I'll be digging holes to check layers and going full nerd on it, not winging it because of a sense of invincibility.
(But what I really foresee myself doing is in-bounds slogs across the Cirque or just to kill half the day while Shared Skittlesskis Iron Horsetalks about skiing Iron Horse.)
With most things I am rather happy to do mY OwN rEsUrcH and rely on myself, that ain't of them.
I like these two beacons.
Just make sure to practice a lot without a signal and get to know whatever beacon you buy very well.
Just make sure to practice a lot without a signal and get to know whatever beacon you buy very well.
After some more rabbit hole diving re Tecton, Shift, and Duke PT threads I’ve come to the ultimate conclusion that @SkaredShtles is right. I should not introduce additional complexity into my already complex life, and should just suck it up in the lift lines (probably not with Iron Horse with the wife, though).
Emailed powder7 to cancel that demo Mindbender order and shall live with my current old alpine shells with their new liner (and my lovely high elasticity Pivots on Mindbender alpine setup).
Emailed powder7 to cancel that demo Mindbender order and shall live with my current old alpine shells with their new liner (and my lovely high elasticity Pivots on Mindbender alpine setup).
*facepalm*
JFC
See ya back in this thread monday after you try to go skiing at winter park on this three day weekend!
Why not? Easy access to MJ/Arrow/Rainbow Cut - slightly less easy access to Sleeper if so inclined.
She doesn’t like MJ proper due to how the lighting is, and because it gets groomed less regularly. Portions of it (mainly the upper part actually, as from Olympia) are too steep for her comfort as well. She skis it but complains.
heh
This and Christmas are weeks Devo has scheduled off. (same with Baby Aya’s multi week lessons.) They anticipate the crazy and I left the house available to be booked. Which it is, but I just hope the sparrow bugs are eradicated… the house is a headache sometimes: have pity for me
You could ski Granby when it's busy at WP, probably a lot closer to the Mountain Haus
We are about equidistant. But the kids have WP programs all season long so must be there. With everyone else.You could ski Granby when it's busy at WP, probably a lot closer to the Mountain Haus
I’ve timed it at 14 min to WPR but that’s with summer (lack of) traffic. 19 in winter is fair.
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We often see the hot air balloons out and about in the intervening skies in the morning. ‘tis pretty cool.
Since you're original intention was just to skin around the ski area, seriously any old frame binding setup will do that for really cheap and work with your existing boots. Keep an eye on CL or FB marketplace for someone offloading their entire setup including skins, and snap something up for like $200-300. Then skin around the ski area if the lift lines suck, and if you end up actually enjoying it you can revisit getting all the gear.
denver sporting goods "baron|duke|guardian|"frame binding"" - craigslist
denver sporting goods "baron|duke|guardian|"frame binding"" - craigslist
denver sporting goods - by owner - craigslist
denver sporting goods - by owner - craigslist
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https://rockies.craigslist.org/spo/d/leadville-backcountry-at-skis-package/7579898852.html (then sell the boots off!)
@Toshi DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM.Even better: Alpine Trekkers
Toshi, SS's recommendations are perfect. I mean you get to use your real bindngs.
I take back everything I said previously. Hiking in your full alpine setup with trekkers really is the break from the lift lines you deserve.
I take back everything I said previously. Hiking in your full alpine setup with trekkers really is the break from the lift lines you deserve.
sweet baby jeebus that is terrifying
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A Skier Filmed Himself Being Swept Away by an Avalanche
Pro skier Owen Leeper discusses the terrifying ordeal, which he captured on his helmet camera
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Shit. He got pretty lucky there.sweet baby jeebus that is terrifying
A Skier Filmed Himself Being Swept Away by an Avalanche
Pro skier Owen Leeper discusses the terrifying ordeal, which he captured on his helmet camera
I got in a big slide earlier this year and managed to swim my way out. It was scary and I needed a reminder I guess.
The view from the filmer is something ...sweet baby jeebus that is terrifying
A Skier Filmed Himself Being Swept Away by an Avalanche
Pro skier Owen Leeper discusses the terrifying ordeal, which he captured on his helmet camera
Owen Leeper on Instagram: "So lucky I only dislocated my shoulder and stitches in my knee. See my previous posts for full write up on this terrible fall. . . . #skiing #extremeskiing #extremesports #Jacksonhole #avalanche #backcountryskiing #caic #btacavy #avyinstitute #ski #snowboarding"
94K likes, 2,633 comments - o_leeps on February 16, 2023: "So lucky I only dislocated my shoulder and stitches in my knee. See my previous posts for full write up on this terrible fall. . . . #ski...".
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Yeah, I watched that on the embed at the link. When he gets slammed into that rock…The view from the filmer is something ...
Owen Leeper on Instagram: "So lucky I only dislocated my shoulder and stitches in my knee. See my previous posts for full write up on this terrible fall. . . . #skiing #extremeskiing #extremesports #Jacksonhole #avalanche #backcountryskiing #caic #btacavy #avyinstitute #ski #snowboarding"
94K likes, 2,633 comments - o_leeps on February 16, 2023: "So lucky I only dislocated my shoulder and stitches in my knee. See my previous posts for full write up on this terrible fall. . . . #ski...".
Since browsing for shit is fun on Powder7, some of the more interesting demo packages they have for sale at the moment, filtered down by ~173-184ish length constraints and having Tectons, Shifts, or Duke PTs:
K2 Dispatch 110 with Duke PTs:
K2 Dispatch 110 AT Setup Men's Skis - Powder7
When backcountry conditions get spicy you ll be glad you picked the K2 Dispatch 110. A mid fat waist width combined with K2 s Tita...Reviews: The Dispatch 110 AT Setup...
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K2 Dispatch 101 with Duke PTs:
K2 Dispatch 101 AT Setup Men's Skis - Powder7
The K2 Dispatch 101 offers quick turns and powerful skiing for all your steep and firm missions. Leveraging the same Titanal Hex B...Reviews: The Dispatch 101 AT Setup...
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Armada Locator 112 with Shifts:
Armada Locator 112 AT Setup Men's Skis - Powder7
Do you like skiing powder Of course you do. Do you like to ski powder in the backcountry What about skiing more powder again and a...Reviews: The Locator 112 AT Setup...
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Armada Locator 104 with Shifts:
2023 Armada Locator 104 AT Setup 178cm Used Demo Skis on Sale - Powder7
2023 Armada Locator 104 AT Setup 178cm Skis are now on sale with fast shipping from our Golden, CO ski shop. A part of the entirely new collection of to...
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Armada ARW 106 UL with Shifts:
2023 Armada ARW 106 UL AT Setup 180cm Used Demo Skis on Sale - Powder7
2023 Armada ARW 106 UL AT Setup 180cm Skis are now on sale with fast shipping from our Golden, CO ski shop. Let’s face it, most of us want it all. We ...
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Scott SuperGuide 95 with Tectons:
2022 Scott SuperGuide 95 AT Setup 178cm Used Demo Skis on Sale - Powder7
2022 Scott SuperGuide 95 AT Setup 178cm Skis are now on sale with fast shipping from our Golden, CO ski shop. ...
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Field Tested - 2023 K2 Dispatch 110 Ski Review | evo
Brand new for the 22/23 season, the K2 Dispatch 110 is a directional, mid-fat ripper. Here's our full on-snow review of how they ski.
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Blister's review isn't up.
< 1800g and Titanal and a ton of tip rocker and a slot for the skins! But not much sidecut at all they also sound fairly miserable on firm snow, and an odd powder ski that can charge. But can't carve. Kinda makes sense in the sense of something substantially different than my alpine Mindbender 108 Ti setup, but kinda doesn't make sense at all.
The 101 sounds built much the same, but wouldn't have the "pick me for powder days inbounds" aspect so makes even a lesser amount of sense.
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No Blister review.
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The Ski Essentials reviews tend to be overly positive/industry favorable for everything, I've found. But the one dude who got time on them liked them. 1500g at 180 cm! Definitely need a Blister take on whether they're quaky shaky and scary at speed.
The 104s are even lighter, 1425g. Not sure how physics would allow these to be anything but squirrelly.
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A Blister review!
2022-2023 Armada ARW 106 UL | Blister
Here are our measured specs, rocker profile pics, and flex pattern numbers for Armada's lightweight all-mountain freestyle ski, the ARW 106 UL.
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Apparently these are a women's specific one. But they go long and are a bit over 1800g so I don't get this branding.
Sounds like it's about the polar opposite of the K2 Dispatch line fwiw:
There's mention of this in a Blister podcast but ain't nobody got time for that
SCOTT Superguide 95 Ski
We all know what a difference an aspect can make, especially on those days that can change from blower fluff to wind-scoured stuff in a few turns. If you want the one ski to rule them all SCOTT has upgraded and revamped their Superguide line and the finis...
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< 1500g and 21m sidecut. Apparently quite stiff despite that weight? Oddly positive but nonspecific reviews given physics is physics and all:
SCOTT Superguide 95 Alpine Touring Ski
Better than ever before, we are pretty stoked that Scott Sports has brought back the Superguide 95 alpine touring ski. At our Aspen Highlands, slope-side shop, we get a lot of really strong resort skiers coming in for their first uphill set-ups. Many of these skiers want and expect their new...
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IME, you want around 100 waist. As you go up significantly from there, you are more on a "helo drop me off in bottomless-powder ski" and I have some boards set up for that, but they are not good to tour with.Field Tested - 2023 K2 Dispatch 110 Ski Review | evo
Brand new for the 22/23 season, the K2 Dispatch 110 is a directional, mid-fat ripper. Here's our full on-snow review of how they ski.
Blister's review isn't up.
< 1800g and Titanal and a ton of tip rocker and a slot for the skins! But not much sidecut at all they also sound fairly miserable on firm snow, and an odd powder ski that can charge. But can't carve. Kinda makes sense in the sense of something substantially different than my alpine Mindbender 108 Ti setup, but kinda doesn't make sense at all.
The 101 sounds built much the same, but wouldn't have the "pick me for powder days inbounds" aspect so makes even a lesser amount of sense.
SkiEssentials
Is this because of weight, tracking when skinning up, their skiing characteristics on the way down?
In this still 99% theoretical exercise, I kinda like the concept of the Dispatch 110 as a complement to my alpine Mindbender 108 Tis, as I might pick them up off the rack for an in-bounds day if 8"+.
Those are fine. I used to hike with skis way wider than that and still own a pair that's 112. It's smidgen easier to edge in on icy sidehills with narrower skis but remember: buy the ski you want to ski
Every time somebody wants to pretend there's some maximum width for a hiking ski they seem to magically forget how wide split boards are.
That's like listening to idiots in the 90s talking about how you want the smallest lightest mountainbike possible because you spend more time climbing. Hiking is for the skiing, the skiing isn't for the hiking.
8"+ is nothing for modern AT skis. As in they make it ridiculously easy to ski. You just don't need crazy width, reserve that for helo operations or the rare day where there's tons of pow at the resort and it won't get skied out in 5 min. The modern AT skis are like 98% of the floatation/turning in pow. I had these concerns too at first, but I downsized, and I'm often on terrain where there's no "groomed slope" anywhere. It's really because of all of what you said.
Fat skis also help make flatter terrain in deep snow WAY more fun. Surface area still matters.
Not all of us have 12 heliski operations operating within a two hour drive like AK. Deep snow happens with or without helicopters.
Not all of us have 12 heliski operations operating within a two hour drive like AK. Deep snow happens with or without helicopters.
Um...yeah, and they are a lot shorter...which would more than offset any additional width (swinging around turns, etc.). Not the same thing.
More width can be harder to deal with on some steeper climbs, you are constantly stepping on your other ski, but a few mm isn't going to be a big effect here. It's more that there's little to nothing to be gained by 10mm more width and only disadvantages IME. It's not a huge difference, but my advice is just don't go thinking you "need" 110 or 120 because you think you "need" more float. The modern 100s are absolutely amazing to turn and they float great.
188 for a 5'8" skier but sure whatever you say
Dude, the fat skis must be shorter to turn is 1998 traditional rocker and sidecut shit. Like you've addressed, shapes are better. Yeah more rockered skinnier skis work better these days but surface area is surface area. No shape is going to ever completely compensate for that.
More rockered skis make skiing FATTER skis more versatile too.
I literally designed a narrower ski that was based on by big fat powder skis specifically to make something easier to hike with. The result was a good bc ski on settled pow but yes, flotation suffered quite a bit.
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technique!
I've hiked on 185-190ish skis of all widths for almost 25 years. It's fine.
If you want a shorter ski for kick turns (more understandable) then that's even more of a case for going wider.
Hiking on 110mm waisted skis is fine. It's almost no different that hiking on 95mm wide.
The most annoying thing to me about hiking on really wide skis is just carrying snow on them.
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