[NY_Star]

Looks like Craig may be making cartrage kits for Forks next year.

Here is a link

http://www.avalanchedownhillracing.com/AVA%20Advantage%20Cart%20Kit.htm

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Sweet!!!!

 

[RayB]

Any idea on pricing?

 

[Kanye West]

Awesome. At last a DH damper with a real mid-valve.

About f'ing time.

 

[jonKranked]

Avy damping + Fox 40 stiffness = fork heaven.

 

[Kanye West]

Avy damping + Fox 40 stiffness = fork heaven.

Agreed. With no damper to blow up that fork just got a LOT cooler...

 

[norbar]

If this works out I may stay with my 07 888. They are heavy but take a beating like no other. If only I could get them a tad lower.

 

[JohnnyC]

looks cool! Will they be sticking with the stock dust wipers/oil seals or will a fork like the 40 need something that holds oil pressure a bit better?

 

[Kanye West]

I was wondering that too, since the 40's really don't have a seal...

With the bottoming cones, it will probably rely on a somewhat lower oil height. Still going to be pressure in there though.

 

[HardtailHack]

Wow avaliable for Kowa, wonder if he could machine up some longer bushes for them too?
I wonder if you can still run an assist spring or it will be air only for the 200si.

 

[Jm_]

I've heard it for a while. I'll believe it when I see it.

Otherwise, a fork that could perform like my Avy rear shock would be great.

 

[IH8Rice]

I've heard it for a while. I'll believe it when I see it.

Otherwise, a fork that could perform like my Avy rear shock would be great.

ive seen the new kit for the 888, but not the 40 yet.

 

[Sandwich]

Cannot believe it took this long...maybe sales of the in-house forks are drying up? I too would love a 40 with an avy kit in it. Although the weight of a boxxer air with avy damping might be a thing of beauty.

 

[jonKranked]

Although the weight of a boxxer air with avy damping might be a thing of beauty.

Just make sure you don't use one of the older Boxxer L-Turns

 

[Sandwich]

Just make sure you don't use one of the older Boxxer L-Turns

I'm guessing this is a joke that I called it a boxxer air instead of a WC? I don't really get it, sorry.

 

[norbar]

ive seen the new kit for the 888, but not the 40 yet.

any idea if only the 08+ ones or the good old ones too?

 

[jonKranked]

I'm guessing this is a joke that I called it a boxxer air instead of a WC? I don't really get it, sorry.

History my friend. It was a play on the u-turn, and was the result of catastrophic failure. A few of these popped up, most notably at Rotura worlds a few years back:

 

[time-bomb]

History my friend. It was a play on the u-turn, and was the result of catastrophic failure. A few of these popped up, most notably at Rotura worlds a few years back:

Those are sweet. The axle to crown looks quite a bit shorter. Another great way to reduce handle bar height. What will they think of next?

 

[Sandwich]

ew that fork has way too much trail. probably handles great at WC speed though.

but seriously, ew.

 

[IH8Rice]

any idea if only the 08+ ones or the good old ones too?

only seen it for the '08 888 WC so far

History my friend. It was a play on the u-turn, and was the result of catastrophic failure. A few of these popped up, most notably at Rotura worlds a few years back:

those motorcycle brakes look like the problem....oh wait, those are Gustavs

 

[Jm_]

only seen it for the '08 888 WC so far


those motorcycle brakes look like the problem....oh wait, those are Gustavs

And the 09s are mechanically identical.

 

[IH8Rice]

And the 09s are mechanically identical.

obvi.

 

[CovicRacing]

I've heard it for a while. I'll believe it when I see it.

Its true. I have said Avy Cartridge in my proto Kowa 200 as we speak. Just finished 4 months worth of testing here in Colorado. Its a sweet setup. Craig did good ;-).

 

[Muttely]

i would very, very, very much like a cart upgrade for my '10 race, as upgrading it to a team costs £500, which is obscene, and im hoping this will be alot cheaper

 

[CovicRacing]

A pic from our display at Interbike.

 

[Jm_]

Price?

 

[Kanye West]

Affordable.

 

[IH8Rice]

hmm what about some info on that Kowa there?

 

[HardtailHack]

Them Kowas there will have the new bushes which means they might actually work unlike previous forks. The new bush setup should(hopefully) fix the only problem that Kowa forks had which was mass amounts of stiction.

 

[mike425]

What is the retail on a set of Kowas? The covic racing site doesnt have much info?

Thanks

 

[CovicRacing]

Price?

The final details of the production version cart are still being worked out so its a little to early to quote a retail price. But I do believe that Craig is shooting for a $3-400 window for the cart upgrade. I'll be talking to Craig today, I will see if I can get him to shed more light.

As for the fork, we are aggressively trying to meet or beat the $1400 retail price point. As I mentioned above, the final pricing on the cart is undetermined so this will obviously effect the final price, but I do not expect to be too far off that goal.

 

[dropthebreak]

If this works out I may stay with my 07 888. They are heavy but take a beating like no other. If only I could get them a tad lower.

im in the same boat. just cant part with my 07 wc 888. would love to see a avy kit in that fork

 

[IH8Rice]

As I mentioned above, the final pricing on the cart is undetermined so this will obviously effect the final price, but I do not expect to be too far off that goal.

so it will be essentially just have the Avy internals in the Kowa chassis?

 

[Jm_]

The final details of the production version cart are still being worked out so its a little to early to quote a retail price. But I do believe that Craig is shooting for a $3-400 window for the cart upgrade. I'll be talking to Craig today, I will see if I can get him to shed more light.

As for the fork, we are aggressively trying to meet or beat the $1400 retail price point. As I mentioned above, the final pricing on the cart is undetermined so this will obviously effect the final price, but I do not expect to be too far off that goal.

That's kind of what I thought. $400 sounds steep to me, but I was afraid it might be around $500. I realize there are a lot of small machined parts in there that are difficult to manufacturer when you are just a small operation (look at Push for numerous examples). Closer to $300 would be sweet and I'd imagine a lot would sell. The damping in my 888 RC3 is just friggin crude and I'm getting fed up with it.

 

[Steve M]

The damping in my 888 RC3 is just friggin crude and I'm getting fed up with it.

Should have gotten a Boxxer.

 

[Udi]

haha, nice of you to drop by with the firewood.

 

[Jm_]

Should have gotten a Boxxer.

They didn't make that boxxer when I got the 888

 

[Inclag]

Looking forward to getting this upgrade over the winter for my 09 Boxxer. If the price is ~$400 that would be very competitive.

Nice to see companies like Avy and CR1 stepping up and offering true customizable internals for some of the current forks

 

[Muttely]

Will it be available for 35mm boxxers??????

My races arent thats good and 400$ is alot better than £500

 

[CovicRacing]

so it will be essentially just have the Avy internals in the Kowa chassis?

Yes, thats basically the idea.

Craig really liked the Kowa chassis. Also in Kowa's favor was the fact that they spec high end NOK seals (w/retaining clips). This mates well with the avy bottom out (prevention) system which relies on high pressures in the fork to do its thing.