Wow, way to turn what I said. Are those bomber you listed? They are early warning/cargo planes. Props have their place, and yes the Russian bomber comes close to the speed of the B-52....so maybe they are on more equal ground. My point was that Russia doesn't have sh** on us and it's a show of what little bit of strength they have. They are resuming flights in response to the fact that we have invaded two countries in five years and gone by a "you're with us or against us" policy since Bush has been in office. This tends to make other countries nervous.so ire. are you saying that the orion, the spectre, the hercules, and the hawkeye are all out of date simply because they are prop driven?
We saw that with the Soviet Union where they went for cheap stuff in big numbers compared to the US who went with expensive high tech in far lesser mumbers, and what did we learn from conflicts where these weapon systems have met? Maybe the Soviets got paid to well, which made their weapons too expensive..the you should look into the fixed exchange ratio and the concept of "purchasing power"
you can buy a lot more stuff in china with 90 billion than 410 billion in the western world. it's just a simple fact.
the standard to measure how much the country is spending on military is the military spending to GDP ratio, not just the amount in terms of dollar alone.
You're correct, glad you didn't call me anti American, freedom hater or what not. But I have trouble reading your stance in this post, don't you have a problem with US foreign policy? Shouldn't people around the world have a problem with it when you're everywhere effin up peoples lives and their countries for over 60 years now (outside the Americas)?Hmmm, I could be mistaken, Lord knows, I have been before.... but it seems that rockwool has a problem with U.S. Foreign Policy. Well, great, becuase about 70% of Americans and 99% of the world feel the same way.
Nothing new there.
Have you seen the BBC documentary Why We Fight? The teachings of Eisenhower have a major part in it. It's a must watch otherwiese, it's that good really.Ah the ol' military-industrial complex. Eisenhower is probably rolling in his grave.
Good points!I'm sure that this russian games are only a response to US
Anti-rocket shield games going on in Polland and they could be also
used for focus attention of russian people from real problems, just like
the war in Irak is used to distract american people.
Can you imagine Russians deploying radar system in Canada and
controling US air space?
Today, the United States spends more on defence than on all other parts of the federal budget combined.
US Congressman: -Our country spends more on defence than all of the other 18 members of NATO plus China, Russia...
Rumsfeld: -From my standpoint, I think numbers almost are distracting.
We understand.since I have lost 8 of my West Point classmates, in addition to 3 other friends, because of our foreign policy
Limp-wristed diplomacy with neither a carrot nor a stick to offer equals isolationist despite whatever intentions they may have to be more than that. Call it isolationism-by-default if you want to.But I do pretty strongly disagree with you about Europe being isolationist. It really, really isn't. There is more than one way to do things than with weapons.
Limp-wristed diplomacy with neither a carrot nor a stick to offer equals isolationist despite whatever intentions they may have to be more than that. Call it isolationism-by-default if you want to.
I can tell you that what is wrong with Europe. The EU is content to sit back, cut back on military spending (A very good way to influence external national interests) and become isolationist. This has had some serious drawbacks, such as conceding much pull in the developing world to Russia and China (who both have military personnel all over the place [specifically Africa], looking to gain control of natural resources). Slowly, the EU has woken up to this fact, such as when it became apparent that Europe cant protect its newest members against Russia, or itself for that matter (Europe is at Russias mercy because they are dependent on its energy). However, with the newly assertive Russia, even France is stepping up, recently saying that they are strongly considering rejoining the military-arm of NATO after a 60-year absence.
I think its where whore babies come from.What's this new country called Europe?
Or apostrophes perhaps?I think its where whore babies come from.
I bet you right now most of the major European powers could get much more out of nearly any ocountry on the planet just by asking nicely than the US could.Limp-wristed diplomacy with neither a carrot nor a stick to offer equals isolationist despite whatever intentions they may have to be more than that. Call it isolationism-by-default if you want to.
It's state of mind, not country. It has nice future If people will be able to deal with stupidty. Of course we shall never underestimate the power of stupidity.What's this new country called Europe?
I would like to comment that but I will leave it as we have enough already.Rockwool, look at my location. Do you really think I am going to come on here and start expressing my views? You bet your ass not. I'm on a government server which means I play by the rules.
I'm anti-American? I just wrote that I was glad that you didn't call me anti-American as I don't see my self as one.. Then I have to ask you to define what things you consider American and what not, this we have to discuss.While your anti-American stance is hurtful (since I have lost 8 of my West Point classmates, in addition to 3 other friends, because of our foreign policy), I will not get into a political debate. Besides, its nothing I haven’t heard before.
Dunno about what France is upto or why, but you've got it all wrong about the EU. The EU has no wishes at all to become isolationistic, how could it when all major economic countries of the world, primarily the US (do we count in Canada here?), China and Russia are out in the world securing energy reserves for the future.I can tell you that what is wrong with Europe. The EU is content to sit back, cut back on military spending (A very good way to influence external national interests) and become isolationist. This has had some serious drawbacks, such as conceding much pull in the developing world to Russia and China (who both have military personnel all over the place [specifically Africa], looking to gain control of natural resources). Slowly, the EU has woken up to this fact, such as when it became apparent that Europe can’t protect its newest members against Russia, or itself for that matter (Europe is at Russia’s mercy because they are dependent on its energy). However, with the newly assertive Russia, even France is stepping up, recently saying that they are strongly considering rejoining the military-arm of NATO after a 60-year absence.
I don't know which countries you're thinking about except the US which never was isolationistic. The US called it self isolationist because its colonial ambitions were limited to the two American continents. That is not isolationist, more like self limiting your exploiting greed.History has repeatedly shown that countries who have chosen isolationist policies, and had oversees interests (this includes America) have come back to be bitten by it.
*sigh* so hard to find a good troll these days.Bomb The Russians!!!
Aint that a cunt picking on my grammar. But obviously your not humble enough to offer to discuss this in my first language instead of yours. Twat. Your whole post was low, must have triggered you by saying that I don't feel for your buddies. Don't expect to be looked upon as a righteous liberator by everyone just cus your president says you are one.In the face of such irrefutable evidence, logic and good grammar, I humbly concede the debate to you. And as started before, will have no more part of it.
Evidence about Pearl Harbour? In post nr47 I recomended all of you to watch the documentaries Why We Fight and Zeitgeist. In the latter they talk about the Aussie intelligence warnings. This is nothing new, evidence of how Pearl Harbour was possible has been in at least a few documentaries I've seen. How come you missed that? See no evil, hear no evil, say no evil?I am sure the evidence that you have amassed to support your theories that both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 were perpetrated by the U.S. Government is irrefutable. If the evidence you have is as bulletproof as you have led me to believe, I implore you to share it with the world, so that everyone can know the truth.
The fact that historians have missed the entire reason for American’s formal entry into WW II for the past 66 years is despicable, because as you know, nothing good came out of WW II. I look forward to seeing your evidence presented to the masses.
There is non such European model dumbass, that was a picture I painted. The EU is almost as gready as the US, and as I pointed out in my previous post (in answer to your previuos post where you said the EU was isolationist and a lot of other dumb ****) it has ambitions to become the worlds 2nd superpower and probably with wishes to surpass your greed.In addition, the historical revision to foreign policy that you have given (that countries do not need militaries or armies based on the European model you have presented) is again irrefutable. I will immediately go out into the city (Baghdad) and tell the Sunnis and Shias that weapons and fighting are not the answer. You have solved the Middle East Peace Process riddle.
Because I am not allowed to leave here for another year, please go to Brussels (NATO), Washington D.C., Moscow, Beijing , and then the Balkans and Africa as well. Spread the word. Also, please let the EU know they should disband the European Reaction Force and stop all peace keeping operations immediately, please also let the U.N. know. All funds that were directed to militaries should now be used for education and social improvement.
Having little or no military capability is the way to world peace, because as you have said “they will be chicken and stay in their borders.” I can guarantee you that no other country would take advantage of that to invade or attack that country’s interests, because they of course would have no military either!
Peace Breaks Out. If we extrapolate this theory, the same can go for police forces! Why if countries can learn to get along, why can’t individual people! Those same funds that were once dedicated to law enforcement, can now be redirected to education of this revisionist history!
Al Qaeda will be happy to know they don’t have to blow themselves up anymore.
So why we fight? I think we fight because to many people are not standing up saying "I'm not doing this any more". -Karen Kwiatkowski ex Lt. Col. USAF
Sweden: The war in Iraq is bad! btw we've developed some new weapons, wanna try em out?
USA: Sure.
Things AmericanI'll make it easy for you, just list all things considered "American" and those considered "non-American" and I'll check the y/n boxes.
You're right, WWII wasn't started by the US. Struck me that I found the thought quite amazing that they weren't to blame that time.Hey man you can't blame US for all wars. Pearl Harbor was attacked by Japan and yes US gave them cause for that attack, but it was war between two rising superpowers and history is written by the victors. Beside what goes around comes around...
Some reasons for Japan attack:
http://www.theamericancause.org/patwhydidjapan.htm
Few thoughts about surprise and Pearl Harbor
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_Japanese_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor_truly_a_surprise_attack
Swedish joke:
Things American
Big boobs [ ] (lots of plastic surgery here, in abundance)
Fixed....... but when asked about the exports to the UK/US the former prime minister Göran Persson said that Swedens profits from those two countries were of greater interest to Sweden that following the law.
And don't forget all the other things we export and what would happen to all that income if we put those two heavy buyers of Swedish products on a "black list"..Fixed.