[RhinofromWA]

Looks like that Mary Carey is back at things again....and I am helping spread her gospel.

I agree that the money should be spent elsewhere or have the docs outsourced to preform the proceedure for $$$ to civilians. As if they have a lot of free time now-a-days.

Rhino

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5760831/

LOS ANGELES - A group supporting natural breasts staged a small street protest in Hollywood Wednesday against a U.S. military policy offering free breast implants to female soldiers.

The group, led by porn star and former California gubernatorial candidate Mary Carey, said the military should spend its money on “bullets, not boobs.”

“I think girls should have natural boobs and natural beauty,” Carey said after unveiling her own breasts in the protest at an Army recruiting office on Sunset Boulevard.

“Women should be happy with their bodies and what they’re blessed with,” the 24-year-old star of 37 porn films said.

Her words and deeds drew cheers from a small group of men who had gathered to watch the event. Passing cars sounded their horns in response to a sign that read “Honk if you love natural breasts.”

Carey, who wore green camouflage shorts and bikini top, assured all that her own breasts were real.

The protest was organized by porn impresario Mark Kulkis, president of Kick Ass Pictures, the company for whom Carey stars.

It follows recent news stories about the military offering free plastic surgery, including breast enhancements, to soldiers and their families so military doctors can practice their skills.

Kulkis said he opposed military breast implants because they are an unwise expenditure of tax money and because he does not like fake breasts.

“We support our military 100 percent. Part of the reason we’re protesting is that we think these tax dollars would be much better spent on essentials (for soldiers),” Kulkis said.

“I’m personally opposed to boob jobs, but more so when they use our tax dollars for them,” he said. “It’s an issue near and dear to my heart.”

Kulkis’ porno films come with a promise that none of his female stars have breast implants

He and Carey presented a $500 check to Jennifer Zandstra of Commerce, Texas, who was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army two weeks ago and answered a Kick Ass announcement seeking military women opposed to breast implants.

“Thank you for coming up here and thank you most of all for keeping your real breasts,” Kulkis told Zandstra.

Carey invited her to star in her next film, “Mary Carey Rules: No. 6,” but Zandstra, now a college student, politely said, “No, thank you.”

A military spokesman for the recruiting office where the protest took place said he had no comment.

Copyright 2004 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.

 

[Silver]

Overblown. The army doesn't do a ton of breast implants, and it is sometimes a needed surgery (a soldier getting a breast blown off, for example, would appreciate it, I'm sure.)

It's nice to have the surgeon doing the procedure at least casually acquainted with it, I think.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Overblown. The army doesn't do a ton of breast implants, and it is sometimes a needed surgery (a soldier getting a breast blown off, for example, would appreciate it, I'm sure.)

It's nice to have the surgeon doing the procedure at least casually acquainted with it, I think.

So you think a breast implant is worth more than a bullet proof jacket? now wait a minute, when done right I would be torn I think....

Seriously. This is pretty pathetic form of elective surgery...for military doctors...now if the agumentee paid for it...I see nothing wrong with it...but funded with tax payer money? That is pretty bad.

It made the news a few weeks back.... I think penile enlargements are jsut around the corner.....now where is my enlistment form? *digging thru trash*

 

[Ridemonkey]

How about "Bullits, not bullets".

 

[Tenchiro]

From what I understand it is there to give the surgeons practice in times of peace. Not like the world doesn't need more big titty women. :devil:

I know girl that is a civilian but works with military doctors and gets the same benefit.

 

[Silver]

So you think a breast implant is worth more than a bullet proof jacket? now wait a minute, when done right I would be torn I think....

Seriously. This is pretty pathetic form of elective surgery...for military doctors...now if the agumentee paid for it...I see nothing wrong with it...but funded with tax payer money? That is pretty bad.

It made the news a few weeks back.... I think penile enlargements are jsut around the corner.....now where is my enlistment form? *digging thru trash*

No no no...

Let's say a grenade goes off and blows off a soldier's breast. Or a soldier gets breast cancer, that happens, right?

After a mastectomy a breast implant is warranted if the patient wants one. This policy lets the surgeon doing the surgery have some idea of what exactly it is he is doing.

 

[Slugman]

The deal is that the Army has plastic surgeons that need to keep their skills up, so they allow these types of procedures. The soldier must buy the implants themselves, the only thing they get for "free" is the surgeon's skills and OR time (which actually is HUGE $$$ in the private sector only b/c insurance pays for it...).

However it is a training exercise... much like soldier firing live rounds at target in at the range, but at least they don't have to buy their own bullets and guns.

Someone should tell tht chick tht the only time we want her to open her mouth is when there is a **** about to go in it!

 

[RhinofromWA]

No no no...

Let's say a grenade goes off and blows off a soldier's breast. Or a soldier gets breast cancer, that happens, right?

After a mastectomy a breast implant is warranted if the patient wants one. This policy lets the surgeon doing the surgery have some idea of what exactly it is he is doing.

On the off chance that happens....... I guess guys that get their butt cheeks blown off and just got stitched up are getting jipped. It would be cheaper to pay a civilian surgen instead of train doctors on cosmetic surgery on the off chance it might happen.

It is poor use of military spending.....no matter which way you look at it. If anything train one doc to do it and fly him around. He can do one implant a year to keep himself "fresh" neaky: Fact is the goverment is operating on solely cosmetically basis on soldiers. Frankly from the stories you hear I would think the ladies would come out like frankenstienette's with the reputaiton military doctors have.

Dumb dumb dumb.

Make the people electing for voluntary surgery pay for it and at least subsidize the cost of the doctors training....

Now when do I get my penile enlargement surgery? Cause I REALLY need one BAD.....please Uncle Sam give me a bigger wang. What if my wee-ee gets shot off?

Rhino

 

[RhinofromWA]

Someone should tell tht chick tht the only time we want her to open her mouth is when there is a **** about to go in it!

HAhaha

Point is you don't needs doctors trained in breast implants....you need maybe a doctor.

As much as I like perky breasts that are even and fill out a dress.......

There are much better plastic surgery patients out there. Like face reconstruction (not a butcher job) etc.....breast implants is a pretty poor reason for practice. Practice on a man or woman who lost part of their face in battle....had their left buttox shot off.

What about Penile enlargement? Yes I am pushing for this! If guy looses part of his Peen(from DHGirlie/Gogli post in lounge) than they need to give him back as much as they can. Cause a Peen is a terrible thing to waste

Maybe the docs should practice on burn victems, child burn victems...I am sure there are plenty that could use their help. No implants to buy even.

 

[MikeD]

Maybe the docs should practice on burn victems, child burn victems...I am sure there are plenty that could use their help. No implants to buy even.

That's actually a really good point, except for the fact that the government/military can't expose themselves to the world of private practice for liability reasons. We can't sue for malpractice, you see. Now, I guess the gov't could try and force the patient to waive rights, but that might not go over too well or be possible with civilians.

 

[Silver]

Maybe the docs should practice on burn victems, child burn victems...I am sure there are plenty that could use their help. No implants to buy even.

I'm guessing that you underestimate how important breasts are to women, especially some (not all!) women who have lost one or both to cancer.

Fact of the matter is, a skin graft and a breast implantation are NOT the same surgery.

It's not like every woman who goes into the army comes out with a set of 34DD fakies...

 

[Tenchiro]

I'm guessing that you underestimate how important breasts are to women,

Not to mention how imprtant they are to me!

 

[Westy]

How about boobs not bullets. If the military just encouraged and provided breast implants in all of the "hot spots" in the world, people would be too busy playing with them to cause problems. Even the most radical of terrorist would care less about getting 77 virgins in heaven from a suicide bombing if he had a nice rack at home to work with today!

 

[RhinofromWA]

How about boobs not bullets. If the military just encouraged and provided breast implants in all of the "hot spots" in the world, people would be too busy playing with them to cause problems. Even the most radical of terrorist would care less about getting 77 virgins in heaven from a suicide bombing if he had a nice rack at home to work with today!

lol

 

[llkoolkeg]

Well, August 30 is a Summer Bank Holiday in the U.K.

Yay! Another perfect opportunity to rip off your top and let 'em breathe...

 

[RhinofromWA]

I'm guessing that you underestimate how important breasts are to women, especially some (not all!) women who have lost one or both to cancer.

Fact of the matter is, a skin graft and a breast implantation are NOT the same surgery.

It's not like every woman who goes into the army comes out with a set of 34DD fakies...

No more or less important than a penile enlargement is to me. I am not discounting their need for boobs to feal whole....I am agruing the fact that the doctors need to "practice" and give healthy ladies fakies to keep updated. A healthy girl getting fakies is totally different than a mastectomy (I probably butchered that one) survivor getting help.

"Fact of the matter is" (one of my all time most annoying saying in the world! ), for the cost of training all them doctors to give ladies bigger breasts, they could hire "a" doctor twice a year for reconstructive surgery when they really need it. It simply is a waste of money to have doctors practicing breast implants. Like I said volunteer thier time out to fix people who are in true need.

I hope you can sense the fun I am having with this post..... but the next guy (totally not directed at you Silver) who gripes about a $5,000 stainless steel toilet seat better not support this waste of tax payer money.

 

[RhinofromWA]

(I am sorry, all I heard was La-la-la....) a set of 34DD fakies...

j/k

 

[Toshi]

"Fact of the matter is" (one of my all time most annoying saying in the world! ), for the cost of training all them doctors to give ladies bigger breasts, they could hire "a" doctor twice a year for reconstructive surgery when they really need it. It simply is a waste of money to have doctors practicing breast implants. Like I said volunteer thier time out to fix people who are in true need.

i realize you want that penile, er, "reconstruction" badly , but this is flawed reasoning. the military has a large number of doctors already on staff and in training. contracting out to private doctors is nonsensical.

 

[RhinofromWA]

i realize you want that penile, er, "reconstruction" badly , but this is flawed reasoning. the military has a large number of doctors already on staff and in training. contracting out to private doctors is nonsensical.

Don't sqaush my hopes for a free penile enlargement :angry:



I can't beleive the number of breast reconstructions needed for military purposes warrant the "practice" of the doctors.....maybe one doctor that does it 1-2 time a year...then maybe. He can then be shuttled around to patients in NEED.

My thought is there are much better proceedures for doctors to be doing than giving healthy girls fakies. Atleast not on the government dollar. If the need is not there for essential breast reconstruction, so that they require to practice on healthy women that are not in need, then the need is not there for military doctors to preform the proceedure and they could be trained in more essential areas. All this adds up to wasting tax payer money....if they shop out the breast jobs a handfull when needed and train/use the doctors for more deserving proceedures you have more docs on call and trained for needed proceedures. It cost LESS in the long run.

 

[Toshi]

but the only thing the girls are getting free is the doctor's fee, and the doctor is being paid whether he sits around on call or does something. or "she" as the case may be. also, don't you think the military would already "encourage" docs on their payroll to specialize in areas they need? i bet there is quite a need for reconstructive surgery these days thanks to iraq, sadly and seriously.

 

[MikeD]

"Fact of the matter is" (one of my all time most annoying saying in the world! ), for the cost of training all them doctors to give ladies bigger breasts, they could hire "a" doctor twice a year for reconstructive surgery when they really need it. It simply is a waste of money to have doctors practicing breast implants. .

Hey, since you don't stand a chance of being horribly disfigured in war, maybe that's easy for you to say. "Fact of the matter," I'm glad there are trained and practiced plastic surgeons around the military, and not just one or two 'just in case' for peacetime use.

You want to curb waste, fraud, and abuse? Look for real porkbarrel projects that keep needed gear out of the hands of men on the line...not a basically cost-free way to keep surgeon's skills up. Like it's been pointed out, these surgeons aren't paid by the job, and they get paid twice a month regardless of what they're doing, so I want them practicing. Boob jobs? Yeah, I've even seen a woman get one, and I thought it was absurd, but whatever. We've got, ahem, bigger problems...

MD

 

[Slugman]

We've got, ahem, bigger problems...

Unless you're Rhino... :nuts: (damn missed it!)

 

[Toshi]

tsk tsk, all this serious talk when rhino just wanted to not-so-slyly advertise his "buy rhino a new wang" campaign...

 

[RhinofromWA]

We've got, ahem, bigger problems...

MD

And they get bigger every surgery.

 

[RhinofromWA]

but the only thing the girls are getting free is the doctor's fee, and the doctor is being paid whether he sits around on call or does something. or "she" as the case may be. also, don't you think the military would already "encourage" docs on their payroll to specialize in areas they need? i bet there is quite a need for reconstructive surgery these days thanks to iraq, sadly and seriously.

Surgens are needed for more than a random boob job. If the need is for reconstructive surgery now-a-days than "practice" boob jobs are wastefull, right?

Fix a soldiers face, clean up the stump of a leg, reattach a tendon....still no good reason to waste their time that can definately be used elsewhere. Boob jobs are not that prevelant and are not a surgery that is needed ASAP. It can be done by 1 specialist in a timely fashion. No need for a miltary full of "booby maker biggers"

I encourage them to practice where the need is, not where the need isn't.

If we are paying them anyway I am sure there are current military personel and veterans that could benefit from their talents more than practice boob jobs.

I say if a non-medical sergery is to be done by doctors have the one having the boob job pay for it all.....if not all subsidise it. Why the free doc fee?

 

[RhinofromWA]

"Fact of the matter,"
MD

:angry:

You are killing me!

 

[RhinofromWA]

Unless you're Rhino... :nuts: (damn missed it!)

ahahaha

I expected as much. Thanks you made my day.

Hey think the docs at the base could fix this? (Me on Spring Break)

 

[RhinofromWA]

tsk tsk, all this serious talk when rhino just wanted to not-so-slyly advertise his "buy rhino a new wang" campaign...

My moto is "it is never big enough!"

ink:

 

[Slugman]

Surgens are needed for more than a random boob job. If the need is for reconstructive surgery now-a-days than "practice" boob jobs are wastefull, right?

Boob jobs are not that prevelant and are not a surgery that is needed ASAP. It can be done by 1 specialist in a timely fashion. No need for a miltary full of "booby maker biggers"

I encourage them to practice where the need is, not where the need isn't.

You make your argument as though every single chic in the army is walking out with a boob job!

It's not like there is thriving business of boob jobs in the army... it's an occasional surgury that is a perk (pun intended) for both the surgeon and the patient.

The surgeon keeps up with the latest and greatest technology, and the patient gets a low cost boob job... I see nothign wrong with it.

Besides, the entire thing was a publicity stunt by some porn star...

 

[Toshi]

http://www.dcmilitary.com/airforce/beam/9_32/national_news/30624-1.html

In fiscal year 2003, Air Force doctors performed roughly 50,000 total procedures, of which 405 fell into the six categories of cosmetic surgery: abdominoplasty, "tummy tuck," 25; blephraplasty (eyelids), 50; breast augmentation, 116; face lift, 31; liposuction, 151; and rhinoplasty (nose), 32.

...

Doctor Legan also stated that solely cosmetic surgery is done only on a space-available basis, and may constitute no more than 10 percent of a plastic surgeon's workload.


He emphasized that such skills are crucial for Air Force doctors to keep pace with their civilian counterparts.


"Air Force plastic surgeons, as with other specialists, require hours of education, training and continuous practice to keep their skills within medical standards," Doctor Legan said. "Without cosmetic surgery as part of their scope of practice, they would be deprived of experience in a fundamental part of their field," Doctor Legan said. "Additionally, military surgeons perform reconstructive surgery that often entails some degree of aesthetics. Experience with cosmetic cases gives surgeons an ability to achieve the best possible results for reconstructive patients.


"The majority of our cosmetic cases are done in conjunction with training of surgical residents. This not only teaches skills but is a necessary part of training well-rounded surgeons that are every bit as good as their civilian counterparts in all aspects of their respective surgical specialty."

my only question is whether that 116 figure represents 58 or 116 women ink:

 

[RhinofromWA]

my only question is whether that 116 figure represents 58 or 116 women ink:

LOL...Good one

All the positives (good points mind you) can be done by fixing up a burn victem. And I feal that is a better spending of the government $. Fix a child up so they can feel good about themselves so they won't be as horribly dissfigured.

It is still uneeded....there main reason is so they are up to speed with surgens in the outside world Fix a burn victem...dag nabbit....not Ms Jane Perky Doe.

If they are going to give away the docs services (wich they are) do it for the greater good.

Where are the bleeding heart liberals when you need them? Do it for the kids......and Rhino's penis enlargement

 

[RhinofromWA]

Besides, the entire thing was a publicity stunt by some porn star...

She is but a funny addition/attention whore. This was an issue pre Mizz Carey.

She just pushed me to post about it...it must be news if Mary Carey is in it. uke:

 

[MikeD]

LOL...Good one

All the positives (good points mind you) can be done by fixing up a burn victem. And I feal that is a better spending of the government $. Fix a child up so they can feel good about themselves so they won't be as horribly dissfigured.

But the military doctors can't work on civilians...it's just that simple. So, until a crusader like you manages to get a way for civilians to entirely give up legal recourse to malpractice charges, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So you get pissed, and I have to deal with a military with some esteem-deprived women and their silicon sacks.

MD

 

[RhinofromWA]

But the military doctors can't work on civilians...it's just that simple. So, until a crusader like you manages to get a way for civilians to entirely give up legal recourse to malpractice charges, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So you get pissed, and I have to deal with a military with some esteem-deprived women and their silicon sacks.

MD

Right, there is no way they can work on civilians.... What do they lose their little drinking coin? (ROTC buddy in college showed it to me...not important)

There are to many relavent and needed proceedures to be done. These doctors don't need to be pumping up boobs and tummy tuck'n the soldiers "and their families"(stated in the article above...they would still be civilians, right?)

I find it disturbing that people are so unconcerned with the missappropriation of government funds. neaky:

The boob jobs and tummy tucks are jsut the icing on the cake....who expected this not to be questioned?

Like I have said before...I bet there are Veterans and current soldiers with real needs that can keep the docs busy in place of purely cosmetic surgery on otherwise healthy ladies.

God speed dealing with the low self esteem ladies with Tig old Bitties.

 

[Silver]

116 breast augmentations at say $5000 a pop: $580,000

22 new F-22 fighters (which are pretty much extreme overkill unless we are planning on fighting Israel or Britain): $5,200,000,000

Like I said way up in the thread, the controversy is overblown here...

 

[MikeD]

Right, there is no way they can work on civilians.... What do they lose their little drinking coin? (ROTC buddy in college showed it to me...not important).

How many times I got to 'splain it to you? THE GOV'T WILL NOT ACCEPT THE RISK OF MALPRACTICE SUITS OR LIABILITY, and the administrative burden of taking on the additional work outside of the military system could cost more, in terms of real dollars, than we're 'losing' by doing this.

The cost for the doctors is the same regardless of whether they sit around with their thumbs up their butts or perform 10 boob jobs. Where's the misappropriation?

You're the only 'misappropriated' one.

MD

 

[RhinofromWA]

116 breast augmentations at say $5000 a pop: $580,000

22 new F-22 fighters (which are pretty much extreme overkill unless we are planning on fighting Israel or Britain): $5,200,000,000

Like I said way up in the thread, the controversy is overblown here...

So you are saying there are bigger fish to fry....I agree. but now that this is out in the open and con be changed with no real cost to anyone.....jsut stop doing it, duh. Where is the harm in this?

116 is only boob jobs....there is tummy tucks and face lifts too.

As far as fighter go..........I hear them hang gliders are pretty dang cheap to buy...and they have no heat signature. I bet they aer a better bang for a buck. how are the planes extreme overkill? Atleast they have a military purpose....boobies, though distracting, do not.

I bet the military could build you a house too, it is cheaper than 22 F-22 fighter planes... I guess that would be OK. Them Army Core of Engineers must be pretty bored just sitting around. Give them something to do and then they will be fresh like their civilian bretheren.

If stopping this proceedure and putting the docs on REAL NEEDED proceedures utilized over half a million dollars of tax payer money otherwise pissed away on boob jobs and face lifts, then why not?

There is not reason for it. Pure BS and there is no call for it. but I guess there are other problems that make this one OK.......... about it.

 

[RhinofromWA]

How many times I got to 'splain it to you? THE GOV'T WILL NOT ACCEPT THE RISK OF MALPRACTICE SUITS OR LIABILITY, and the administrative burden of taking on the additional work outside of the military system could cost more, in terms of real dollars, than we're 'losing' by doing this.

they are already practicing on the families of service personel ....AKA civilians.

The cost for the doctors is the same regardless of whether they sit around with their thumbs up their butts or perform 10 boob jobs. Where's the misappropriation?

You're the only 'misappropriated' one.

MD

They can sure find something else to do other than stick their respective thumb up thier hinnie. You are telling me that there is nothing they could be doing with a more appropriate military benefit? Please, get your plastic surgery experience on the ones that need it...the injured in need military personel.

Do a boob job on a military mastectomy patient........not a healthy soldier or their family members.

What is so hard to figure out? Don't do Boob jobs on healthy patients who's only desire is to get perkeir boobies at a cut rate. It is a elective surgery and the doctors can be better used elsewhere.

But if a couple million dollars (405 surgeries x $5,000 *Silvers number*) is enough to piss away on elective surgery than by all means....continue. I am sure there are better and as equally effective ways to keep surgens experienced without elective cosmetic surgery.

Rhino

 

[MikeD]

Do a boob job on a military mastectomy patient........not a healthy soldier or their family members.

They do that...there just aren't enough to occupy 100% of their time.

Those civilians they work on are military dependents, which is different than being just any civilian. They don't have the same rights as you would when they're dealing with their doctors. Again, the military won't take on the additional liability of non-military sponsored patients.

Maybe they could make a new process by which it could happen...but that's something for politicians to decide, and again, it's doubtful. Perhaps they could do something along the lines of Joint Task Force, where the military is used to assist law enforcement. In the meantime, they're making the most of what they can do in the conditions as they are, despite the public outcry of this petty and 'pet' issue.

I wish people got this spun up about things that matter. But the average American seems to think and care more about boob jobs than accurately assessing foreign policy and world conditions.

MD

 

[MikeD]

I bet the military could build you a house too, it is cheaper than 22 F-22 fighter planes... I guess that would be OK. Them Army Core of Engineers must be pretty bored just sitting around. Give them something to do and then they will be fresh like their civilian bretheren.
.

Ummm, no, the engineers have countless projects to keep them busy, trying to train, assist in construction of infrastructure, etc. We need them, b/c civilians try to charge 600,000 to build a 30x30 cinderblock gas chamber. (It's not worth it to them to build small projects unless they can make an exorbitant profit.) Unlike plastic surgeons, there's a surplus of work in peacetime to keep them busy.

If stopping this proceedure and putting the docs on REAL NEEDED proceedures utilized over half a million dollars of tax payer money otherwise pissed away on boob jobs and face lifts, then why not?

If there are people in the military who needed plastic surgery, they get it, and they should be happy their doctors are proficient and practiced as they can be.

MD

PS I agree 100% that the surgeons would get better practice fixing maimed, burned, and disfigured people than doing boob jobs. I just don't think there are tons of people willing to disfigure themselves to provide this practice, and thankfully, we're not providing enough cases yet to fill the potential work capacity. So in the meantime, it's gonna be boobs....whatever...no "big deal."

PPS Perhaps they could find a way to have the surgeons help out the uninsured for free...b/c no insured person would undergo surgery without legal recourse if something goes wrong. That'd be the best way, IMHO.