saw a guys post on here for trading a dirtbag for a bullit and I am tempted to trade for a dirtbag. I am a bigger dude weighing in at 225 and 6'2" the bullit is fun but what do ya'll think. I freeride and jump..........Thanks.
bullit vs. dirtbag for freeridng and jumping
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see if you cant ride his bike for a bit and get a feel for it to see if you like it..
single pivot vs 4bar...completely different ride. personally, i would take 4bar over anything, but thats because its my preference
plus i would support transition over SC in a heartbeat...but again, preference....
your best bet is to test ride it....
single pivot vs 4bar...completely different ride. personally, i would take 4bar over anything, but thats because its my preference
plus i would support transition over SC in a heartbeat...but again, preference....your best bet is to test ride it....
seand said:see if you cant ride his bike for a bit and get a feel for it to see if you like it..
single pivot vs 4bar...completely different ride. personally, i would take 4bar over anything, but thats because its my preference
your best bet is to test ride it....
Uhem.... Both bikes are single pivots in reality, just with shocks driven differently.
Also always be careful in trades. I wouldnt trade on the net unless i could see the other item in person, but thats just me.
actually, transition falls under faux-bar, not 4bar..but whatever.
and no, they are not both single pivot in reality...in reality, they are completely different linkage designs with completely different handling...
i agree, dont trade on the net..bad stuff comes from that.
and no, they are not both single pivot in reality...in reality, they are completely different linkage designs with completely different handling...
i agree, dont trade on the net..bad stuff comes from that.
As Zedro would say, LOOK AT THE PIVOTS. The dirtbag is a single pivot, a la kona.... it has a lower pivot than the bullit, so it would ride differently, and the shock choice would make a huge difference on both bikes.
there is a pivot point where the chainstays connect to the front triangle, and one where the rockers connect to the seat stays...
are you going to tell me the bike does not pivot on those pivot points? would be a very strange ride if the bike only pivoted in one spot...
same with konas, banshees, treks, giants...the list goes on.
are you going to tell me the bike does not pivot on those pivot points? would be a very strange ride if the bike only pivoted in one spot...
same with konas, banshees, treks, giants...the list goes on.
I didnt disagree that a bullit and a faux-bar would ride different. They do.... Ive owned both.
I did dissagree with your statement that one was a SP and one wasnt, we all know that the "kona" 4-bar is really a SP bike, with a lower pivot and a rocker that actuates the shock.... ,but whatever... right?
I did dissagree with your statement that one was a SP and one wasnt, we all know that the "kona" 4-bar is really a SP bike, with a lower pivot and a rocker that actuates the shock.... ,but whatever... right?
if you un bolted the seat stays from a Faux-bar the swingarm pivots on a single point, just like the Bullit. Thats what "SP" is. It has nothing to do with the way the shock is driven. My DHR is a single pivot with a linkage driven shock.... could I then consider this a 4-bar?seand said:
this whole de-railment is funny......they are both good bikes. i have rode both and I am your size. I liked the transition better, i felt it had a lower top tube. and it was a great free-ride bike. Plus, why not support local companies that make good product.
The drugs must have worn off... your making complete sence.....bibs said:this whole de-railment is funny......they are both good bikes. i have rode both and I am your size. I liked the transition better, i felt it had a lower top tube. and it was a great free-ride bike. Plus, why not support local companies that make good product.
I'd also support the Trans boys over SC any day.
Kona is a 4-bar...
Four Bar Linkage
Specialized Bicycles developed one of the most popular and widely used four bar designs called the FSR/Horst Link design. This design has been licensed by many other companies such as Intense and Norco, and has been proven to be a great all around full suspension design for cross-country race bikes to downhill bikes. This design is a fully active, and generally plush feeling design that is minimally affected by pedaling forces, so it has minimal bob or pedal feedback. The FSR/Horst Link design uses a parallelogram type linkage with four pivots so the rear wheel move in a near verticle path as the suspension compresses. Other companies use a four bar linkage design that differ from the FSR/Horst Link by positioning the chain stay pivot in a position that doesnt interfere with Specializeds patent. These include designs from Ellsworth, Titus, and Kona.
copied from: http://www.rhythmcycles.com/xcart/customer/learn_defs.php
and I suspect that Transition is a 4 bar as well, as their marketing states.
Four Bar Linkage
Specialized Bicycles developed one of the most popular and widely used four bar designs called the FSR/Horst Link design. This design has been licensed by many other companies such as Intense and Norco, and has been proven to be a great all around full suspension design for cross-country race bikes to downhill bikes. This design is a fully active, and generally plush feeling design that is minimally affected by pedaling forces, so it has minimal bob or pedal feedback. The FSR/Horst Link design uses a parallelogram type linkage with four pivots so the rear wheel move in a near verticle path as the suspension compresses. Other companies use a four bar linkage design that differ from the FSR/Horst Link by positioning the chain stay pivot in a position that doesnt interfere with Specializeds patent. These include designs from Ellsworth, Titus, and Kona.
copied from: http://www.rhythmcycles.com/xcart/customer/learn_defs.php
and I suspect that Transition is a 4 bar as well, as their marketing states.
yea, they did and im going to take some more now and watch Shrek 2......i need to ride..and not argue about whats what.....and how many whos a whats it has. just answer the poor ans question and get over it....oly said:
and yea, those are good guys!
In that case, I'd take the Transition over the Bullit.bibs said:
Now if you were looking into a VP-Free, that would be another discussion.
Big B said:
nice work! see 
when was it said that it was a medium or did i miss somethingLexx D said:
maybe in the add he was referring to originally?? im just guessing,......cove rider said:
i never said THAT......biggins said:
what bike is a true 4 bar?
Mine....Specialized, old gt's ellsworth, and looking at my Kona I'd actually call it a fourbar just by looks alone, not ad hype. My bighit compared to the kona are essentially the same, save the pivot locations. They don't ride anything close to the same.
No kidding, one takes a 4x4 diesel duallie to drag up the mountain, the other one you can pedal!largextracheese said:
pangeist said:
I think that bullits rea pretty sick bikes. They also have a little more travel than the dirtbag. One thing to remember. Bullits are funky pedaling bikes.
If you are big into freeriding I would go for the dirtbag, I think it will jump better too.
Finally I think that transition has the best crash replacement policy or at least they get around to replacing a crashed bike the fastest. One of my friends broke his super 8 a while ago and it took forever to get it fixed.
-Ryan
The dirtbag isn't a 4-bar bike because the wheel is bolted onto the swingarm, which pivots around one main pivot. That's the definition of a single pivot. The other bars only transmit the forces to the shock, but they have no effect on the wheel path.
So, the dirtbag isn't a 4-bar, neither is a kona, banshee, or trek. They all have single pivot swingarms with linkage to transmit forces to the shock. None of them are remotely similar to the "FSR" or 4-bar linkage of a specialized, ellsworth, etc.
However, both the dirtbag and the bullit are nice frames. I haven't owned either but I've ridden them, and as long as they have a well-set-up shock they pedal fine enough and have good feeling travel.
So, the dirtbag isn't a 4-bar, neither is a kona, banshee, or trek. They all have single pivot swingarms with linkage to transmit forces to the shock. None of them are remotely similar to the "FSR" or 4-bar linkage of a specialized, ellsworth, etc.
However, both the dirtbag and the bullit are nice frames. I haven't owned either but I've ridden them, and as long as they have a well-set-up shock they pedal fine enough and have good feeling travel.
Yes, they're single pivots but sheeze! 
It depends on how you define a single-pivot. Technically, if you only talk axle path, then your right. But most people regard single pivot as a rear triangle moving in an arc around a pivot, ala Bullit. The Kona, Transitions, etc. use 4 bars to create a moving paralellogram that give the bike a much different feel than the triangle single pivots. So if you don't want to confuse the hell out of everyone by argueing that Kona, Transistion, etc are single-pivots, just call them faux 4-bars and live in peace.
They don't look anything like an ASX or Bullit, so faux 4-bar at least gives people a term they can use to describe suspension. There is more to it than just the axle path.
I think when most people want to talk about true 4-bar, they say Horst or FSR anyway.
It depends on how you define a single-pivot. Technically, if you only talk axle path, then your right. But most people regard single pivot as a rear triangle moving in an arc around a pivot, ala Bullit. The Kona, Transitions, etc. use 4 bars to create a moving paralellogram that give the bike a much different feel than the triangle single pivots. So if you don't want to confuse the hell out of everyone by argueing that Kona, Transistion, etc are single-pivots, just call them faux 4-bars and live in peace.
They don't look anything like an ASX or Bullit, so faux 4-bar at least gives people a term they can use to describe suspension. There is more to it than just the axle path.
I think when most people want to talk about true 4-bar, they say Horst or FSR anyway.
zane said:
OMG I cant believe you! Or something like that.
The only thing that makes them feel different is the main pivot placement, NOT the fact that there's other links in the suspension. Most triangle single pivots have a higher main pivot, giving them a different feel than the low-pivot "faux 4-bar" bikes. That's the only thing that's different. Those extra links don't do anything but affect how the leverage ratio changes throughout the travel, which can be accomplished just as easily on a single pivot.Big B said:
Just as a note, I'm not arguing that either design is better. The largest factor is the shock you run with either design, and a good shock will make either suspension feel awesome.
so would my cove g-spot be a 4 bar or no?
BigB, you know you liked pedalling the bighit up Fromme!! It only weighs 49 lbs.
Your AC1 hurt me too. I think I'm just outta shape Hey man, we gotta hook up at Whistler this weekend. I'll be riding all Sat. and Sunday.
Your AC1 hurt me too. I think I'm just outta shape
Hey man, we gotta hook up at Whistler this weekend. I'll be riding all Sat. and Sunday.
Whats the size difference between a medium in both bikes?
oh yeah and the dirtbag has a Romic, I am used to the 5th but might like something a bit more there. The 5th just seems to be so non existent. I like the idea of a bit more feedback from a shock, would this be the case for a Romic?
I would dig up each bikes webpage and compare the geometry.pangeist said:
Duuuude, sweet. I'm planning on being up there too! I hooked up with Sam (the Ellesworth rider we met coming off Upper Oil Can) last week and he's got a condo for Fri night. I have to be back home by 6pm on Sunday, so I'm not sure if I'll ride Sunday or not. But I'll be up there Sat. fer sure!largextracheese said:BigB, you know you liked pedalling the bighit up Fromme!! It only weighs 49 lbs.
Your AC1 hurt me too. I think I'm just outta shape
I looked up the d-bag and my only concern is the top tube difference. Its a little shorter on the d-bag, but I like the taller BB height and slightly longer wheelbase. And its small local company, sometimes it seem SC has gotten too big for their britches.
pangeist said:
If both bikes are in similar condition I'd go for the dirt bag. I can't say exactly how different the shocks will feel, but I know many people who like their romics.
faux bar os OK, it's really just SP with a different linkage ie. easier on the shock
well I am meeting IMPULSE today in seattle to look at the d-bag and see if its a good trade. wish me luck. thanks for all the info.
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