Don’t have a road bike only xl Santa Cruz Hightower
That’s 6’5” in freedom? I’m 6’4” and ride a 59 Salsa Warbird. I would compare some geometry’s as some xl gravel bikes translate to 61 or 62, which are huuuge. Sorry for a not very specific answer.
Also worth noting, the Grail is designed with a longer TT and shorter stem, so might not be directly comparable to more traditional sized bikes.
Too large.I snooped around the German forums a little and there folks seem to go from 190 cm and up to XL. People in the 185 cm range buy L.
Found this pic from a guy that is 185 cm tall, leg length 90 cm and sits on a L frame.
Toe overlap sometimes cannot be avoided though. Newest bike is a roadbike where the next size larger have a couple mm of toe overlap still. Is not unrideable but is something that can be extreme.Also worth noting, the Grail is designed with a longer TT and shorter stem, so might not be directly comparable to more traditional sized bikes.
Another thing: coming from a MTB background, I tend to replace the setback seatposts on road and gravel bikes with straight ones to place me more forward on the bike. Between this, the stem and the handlebar you have room to adjust how streched out you sit by approx. 5 cm.
If you have big feet, also keep toe overlap with the front wheel in mind. I have it on some of my road an the cross bike. Annoying, but long-ish cranks, big feet and a cleat position more towards the middle of the shoe result in this.
Yep, but on a roadie I am more than able to tolerate it. The cross bike on trails is a different story and I might or might not have crashed because of it.
Maybe a little, but not much IMO.
That's just no-good. My Gravel/CX Bike, also a same size Ridley w/ 1.5° less HT Angle and has well over an inch to tips of shoes.
Road or Gravel, Reach is most important in order to attain endurance. I've also learned to assume Canyon is a much larger fit than what's typical, like Ridley.
Maybe but that much steerer under the stem - especially if D-Shaped - makes me squeamish.
Funny thing is, if I punch @Dirtrider 's numbers into Canyon's size calculator, I end up with 2XL. This is clearly too big IMO, but L could be on the small side.
Yes. On the cusp of xl vs xxl from what I typed in with my height and inseam. But xxl seems monstrous. And I’m a total newbie when it comes to road/gravel setups
This is where the 'buy-direct' model needs a massive rework.
So we are in agreement, XL.
Do you have the chance to sit on gravel and/or road bikes at a local dealer? Just to see what feels good and what not?
Between those two - that'd be the better choice. Did not know frame sizes were into 2XL.
local shops don’t have shit in the way of gravel, let alone large sizes. So I’m trying to run numbers and will-probably end up gambling..xl vs xxlDo you have the chance to sit on gravel and/or road bikes at a local dealer? Just to see what feels good and what not?
Then you can go from these numbers and compare them to the Canyon.
Note that road bikes have the same issue as MTBs: sizes are not the same across the different brands. I have M, M/L and L for my road/gravel bikes and they all fit.
Like I said, you can play around with stem length, seatpost seatback and additionally the handlebars on a road bike. Drop handlebars have a reach and drop of their own, with which you can adjust the bike, either by rolling or by swapping it.
I would not listen to classic roadies with regards to setup though. Slamming the stem or not running your stem "plus" might look better in their opinion, but fit is all that matters.
Also, for pure road bikes I agree with @Muddy and would try to make a smaller frame work. For gravel bikes it depends more on your intended use as a longer wheelbase might give you that little bit more stability. Are you planning to use the gravel bike as commuter, for dirt roads or also on some trails?
@iRider has things covered for you, the controls will also factor into getting a fit that much tighter. There's plenty of riders modding controls in order higher up the handlebar - grinding/removing material. If a bike felt too small, swapped out a stem things had felt too stretched - angling the controls upward a bit will alleviate sketchiness if pointed down steep and loose.
