[Lelandjt]

This article mentions the O-Chain device becoming popular on the WC DH circuit and describes a couple patents Fox is persuing to eliminate the effect of chain growth on suspension.
https://bikerumor.com/patent-patrol-fox-factorys-suspension-enhancing-hub-and-derailleur-assembly/
It seems that at DH speeds the chain can't grow fast enough to engage the pawls, or just barely, and if you're in a tall gear that's not enough to tug at the cranks. I genuinely don't think "pedal kickback" is a thing if:
1. You frame doesn't have massive chain growth.
2. You're going faster than 15ish mph.
3. You're in a tall gear.

I think the annoying sound and vibration of chain slap is the only detriment to ride quality caused by my the drivetrain. I'm usually very sensitive to sensations while riding so I'd be surprised if I'm missing something here. Who's wrong, me or these engineers at Fox and a handful of WC DHers? (or are those guys just not in the right gear?)

 

[toodles]

To be fair, there's a lot of track sections that aren't "that" fast, plus it sorta doesn't take into account the effect of a wheel that is locked up and skidding or at least under braking so that it might lock and spin as it moves through chunder..

 

[Westy]

This article mentions the O-Chain device becoming popular on the WC DH circuit and describes a couple patents Fox is persuing to eliminate the effect of chain growth on suspension.
https://bikerumor.com/patent-patrol-fox-factorys-suspension-enhancing-hub-and-derailleur-assembly/
It seems that at DH speeds the chain can't grow fast enough to engage the pawls, or just barely, and if you're in a tall gear that's not enough to tug at the cranks. I genuinely don't think "pedal kickback" is a thing if:
1. You frame doesn't have massive chain growth.
2. You're going faster than 15ish mph.
3. You're in a tall gear.

I think the annoying sound and vibration of chain slap is the only detriment to ride quality caused by my the drivetrain. I'm usually very sensitive to sensations while riding so I'd be surprised if I'm missing something here. Who's wrong, me or these engineers at Fox and a handful of WC DHers? (or are those guys just not in the right gear?)

But the placebo effect is real.

 

[SylentK]

I just want to get my cassette off my hub without having to pry it off, then file down the splines so I can get it back on.

Think O-Chan can help solve for that?

 

[Jm_]

I just want to get my cassette off my hub without having to pry it off, then file down the splines so I can get it back on.

Think O-Chan can help solve for that?

Welcome to 2012.

 

[Electric_City]

Throw a sprag clutch in there and some directional bearings and pretty soon we'll all be riding coaster brakes again.

It's a bicycle for fucks sake.

 

[SylentK]

Welcome to 2012.

I'm still dating my checks with the year 2012. Is that bad? And yes, I still write checks.

 

[ebarker9]

I don't remember the explanation, so I'll just leave this here.

 

[canadmos]

I watched an interview with Gee the other day and he basically said that they don't use the o-chain device outside of racing. And even then some of their team don't care for it.

 

[Pneuma]

I agree with Team Robot’s thoughts on what the O-chain device actually does.

Last question in this link:

MTB ADVICE!! with Team Robot - ANSWERS #2

Our email servers have been upgraded to handle the tens of thousands of mountain bike-related questions for MTB ADVICE!! with Team Robot #2. As one of one of mountain biking's most *respected* internet commenters, Vital MTB sold the corporate Yaris and used the funds to wine-and-dine Team Robot...

www.vitalmtb.com

 

[StiHacka]

I agree with Team Robot’s thoughts on what the O-chain device actually does.

Last question in this link:

MTB ADVICE!! with Team Robot - ANSWERS #2

Our email servers have been upgraded to handle the tens of thousands of mountain bike-related questions for MTB ADVICE!! with Team Robot #2. As one of one of mountain biking's most *respected* internet commenters, Vital MTB sold the corporate Yaris and used the funds to wine-and-dine Team Robot...

www.vitalmtb.com

You mean the "I don't really know"?

 

[SylentK]

So if I drop my bike from being hand held like 2 feet off the air, drop it, and when it hits the ground, and the pedals/cranks spin backwards...that's not pedal kickback?

 

[Westy]

So if I drop my bike from being hand held like 2 feet off the air, drop it, and when it hits the ground, and the pedals/cranks spin backwards...that's not pedal kickback?

It is, and you may feel it doing a trials like drop without forward motion. But generally you are moving forward, move fast enough and there is no kick back.

 

[Pneuma]

STI:

Yes … But more the part about allowing the top portion of the chain to grow.

That said, it’s still a $ extracting device for fools.

 

[Kanye West]

It is, and you may feel it doing a trials like drop without forward motion. But generally you are moving forward, move fast enough and there is no kick back.

Also if you weigh more than a chihuahua.

 

[StiHacka]

Kickback is great for acceleration by pumping chunk, change my mind.

 

[Westy]

Also if you weigh more than a chihuahua.

That too. Kickback can actually give you free forward propulsion, so it isn't exactly always bad. But some princesses don't want the feel that pea.

 

[WestCoastHucker]

So if I drop my bike from being hand held like 2 feet off the air, drop it, and when it hits the ground, and the pedals/cranks spin backwards...that's not pedal kickback?

they only spin backward because it's impossible for them to spin forward..

 

[StiHacka]

they only spin backward because it's impossible for them to spin forward..

Hence the downplaying of the impact of # POEs being BS.

 

[Gary]

That too. Kickback can actually give you free forward propulsion, so it isn't exactly always bad. But some princesses don't want the feel that pea.

Imagine how good it could be if you fitted an O-Chain backwards to pre-load the kickback.

The fact that OChain are also trying to sell the benefits of their product to Ebike owners who already have a freewheel in their cranks should tell you just how full of shit they really are.

 

[Westy]

I wonder where they came up with the name?

 

[StiHacka]

FOMO is a powerful marketing strategy.

 

[djjohnr]

@HAB reported he felt a difference under braking, which makes sense within the context of what Steve was talking about - https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/ochain-anti-pedal-kickback-device

 

[kidwoo]

I like how the mtb industry every 7 years goes through new idiots learning the hard way what good bike designers were already accomplishing in 2005

 

[Jm_]

Floating brakes?



















Too soon?

 

[Westy]

Floating brakes?



















Too soon?

Nah, it is 2023. You just mount brakes on an elastomer sprung flexible mount.

 

[kidwoo]

Nah, it is 2023. You just mount brakes on an elastomer sprung flexible mount.

or as we call it: any rear end suspension of an intense cycles mountainbike

 

[Westy]

or as we call it: any rear end suspension of an intense cycles mountainbike

Seems like a lost opportunity to trademark it the Gatling mount, or the muzzle brake.

 

[kidwoo]

Seems like a lost opportunity to trademark it the Gatling mount, or the muzzle brake.

every (mtb) generation a new sucker!

 

[bullcrew]

I just run a 4 pawl rear hub...

 

[Kanye West]

This shit has existed for a LOOOOONG time in the street motorcycle world in the form of cush drive hubs. The purpose for it is slightly different however. The load reversals from accel to decel and back on pavement backdriving from the wheel through the sprocket, then chain, then countershaft sprocket, etc would end up putting some nice hammering loads into the countershaft sprocket splines, the transmission gear tooth faces and also the clutch basket. Over the higher mileages found on street bikes, there was accelerated wear anywhere that was seeing that load reversal. Rather than toughen up everything in that load path and still subject it to ugly loading, the alternative was to work in isolators at the hub that gave a very small degree of rotational lash damping. Clutch baskets also ended up having rubber cushions between their housing and the ring gear that were riveted in place as a secondary protection for the whole transmission (the external element would of course dry out or fail to get maintained over time).

Same monkey, new circus.

 

[sethimus]

they only spin backward because it's impossible for them to spin forward..

cue in the centre hub

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www.williamsracingproducts.com

 

[HardtailHack]

I just want to get my cassette off my hub without having to pry it off, then file down the splines so I can get it back on.

Think O-Chan can help solve for that?

Hadley can help.

 

[Lelandjt]

So if I drop my bike from being hand held like 2 feet off the air, drop it, and when it hits the ground, and the pedals/cranks spin backwards...that's not pedal kickback?

Well below my "15mph" qualifier. My advice is to ride faster than 0mph to avoid pedal kickback.

 

[Avy]

Nah, it is 2023. You just mount brakes on an elastomer sprung flexible mount.

Have ANY of you rode a Bike With a Floating Brake? I doubt it.

Avy

 

[Avy]

That too. Kickback can actually give you free forward propulsion, so it isn't exactly always bad. But some princesses don't want the feel that pea.

Don’t you ride a Spesh Westy? Go watch Gwin on You Tube Chainless Run.

Avy

 

[iRider]

Have ANY of you rode a Bike With a Floating Brake? I doubt it.

Avy

Every Horst Link bike has a floating brake.

 

[StiHacka]

Don’t you ride a Spesh Westy? Go watch Gwin on You Tube Chainless Run.

Avy

Kickback ain't happening sans the chain, Avy. Also, Westy rides an Ibis and some fancy handmade hardtail, IIRC.

 

[bullcrew]

Brake therapy

 

[vivisectxi]

Have ANY of you rode a Bike With a Floating Brake? I doubt it.

Avy

hey, we're (mostly) old bastards here; i bet many of us have. (i still own a bike with one).