[Jozz]

Looking at some budget coil options for my 2021 Scout. Right now I have a Float X Factory on it which is working pretty good for that bike. But I need to send it in for warranty again for a clunk.

I'd like to get a backup coil shock, could also be used for some shuttle days and some light lift served days.

I can get a bro deal on either a Bomber CR, DHX, and maybe a DHX2.

I like the simplicity of the CR and DHX.

Any thoughts?

Mindless drivel accepted.

 

[Jozz]

BTW, my last coil experience was with an Elka Stage 5 on a Carbine. It's been a while...

 

[sethimus]

super deluxe coil are quite cheap and come already with hbo

 

[Jozz]

super deluxe coil are quite cheap and come already with hbo

I'll see if I can bro deal my way onto one of those.
Thanks.

 

[canadmos]

If your bro deal on the Bomber CR is close to what I got mine for, from Llama Cycles, I don't think you can really touch it in terms of cost vs performance (for a backup shock). I think I paid $300 something?

Its not the greatest shock out of the box, but I only say that because after switching to an Float X2, which seems to work much better. But it works and I rode the stock Bomber CR throughout the entire BC trip last year.

 

[sethimus]

If your bro deal on the Bomber CR is close to what I got mine for, from Llama Cycles, I don't think you can really touch it in terms of cost vs performance (for a backup shock). I think I paid $300 something?

Its not the greatest shock out of the box, but I only say that because after switching to an Float X2, which seems to work much better. But it works and I rode the stock Bomber CR throughout the entire BC trip last year.

super deluxe coil are usually around 400 retail here, bro deal 300ish

 

[Jozz]

If your bro deal on the Bomber CR is close to what I got mine for, from Llama Cycles, I don't think you can really touch it in terms of cost vs performance (for a backup shock). I think I paid $300 something?

Its not the greatest shock out of the box, but I only say that because after switching to an Float X2, which seems to work much better. But it works and I rode the stock Bomber CR throughout the entire BC trip last year.

Can get the CR for $200cnd, DXH $379. No bro on RS stuff unfortunately. What is it you see as different from CR to X2?

 

[SuspectDevice]

massive deals on Csne Creek factory direct right now, basically EP for everyone

 

[canadmos]

Can get the CR for $200cnd, DXH $379. No bro on RS stuff unfortunately. What is it you see as different from CR to X2?

Its hard for me to put it into words, but the X2 just feels..........better? But really, I guess it just feels more controlled in both compression and rebound. The coil also felt like it was really easy to go through the first bit of travel, where the X2 feels like it has more damping (?) I guess? This could be down to the frame though perhaps.

 

[Jozz]

Its hard for me to put it into words, but the X2 just feels..........better? But really, I guess it just feels more controlled in both compression and rebound. The coil also felt like it was really easy to go through the first bit of travel, where the X2 feels like it has more damping (?) I guess? This could be down to the frame though perhaps.

I figure you've played with adding slow speed comp?

 

[canadmos]

I figure you've played with adding slow speed comp?

Yeah I did, it worked, but the X2 is moar betterer.

The Bomber CR is now my backup shock, I won't get rid of it.

 

[djjohnr]

Depends on the bike's leverage curve. ~2.7 w/ 20-25% progression and a 450lb spring? A stock CR/DHX will probably be fine. Get too far away from that and you'll need a custom tune. DHX2 can handle a bit more deviation before it needs a custom tune. The HBO on the Super Deluxe is great for lower progression or short travel, but the shock may also need a custom tune if you're too far outside it's happy place; when I ordered mine you could only get one tune after market even though they have part numbers for different tunes - that my have changed now, if so this is the way.

 

[Nick]

@Jozz what size shock??

 

[norbar]

Ohlins shocks are very rebuildable. So you can do what I did to my old bike and simply get an ohlins some kid killed on his Spesh and get someone to rebuild it for you. I think in total it cost me $250 and that's in Poland where shit's expensive.

 

[bullcrew]

-Cr is cheap and extrly good for price
-DHX2 blow out seals alot and puke oil
-Rockshox super deluxe ultimate especially with --- HBO is pretty damn awesome if you can get one cheap (reliable as hell, solid)
-ohlins is solid but almost never cheap

What size are you looking for? And mounting ends??

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Check for reliability issues on the dhx2.

Edit: @bullcrew beat me to it

 

[Jozz]

@Jozz what size shock??

205 x 57.5 (140) to 62.5 (150).

Float X is 60 right now for 145mm travel. I'd like the coil to be at max travel the frame can take, so 62.5 for the 150mm travel.

 

[Jozz]

Depends on the bike's leverage curve. ~2.7 w/ 20-25% progression and a 450lb spring? A stock CR/DHX will probably be fine. Get too far away from that and you'll need a custom tune. DHX2 can handle a bit more deviation before it needs a custom tune. The HBO on the Super Deluxe is great for lower progression or short travel, but the shock may also need a custom tune if you're too far outside it's happy place; when I ordered mine you could only get one tune after market even though they have part numbers for different tunes - that my have changed now, if so this is the way.

Scout is at 25%

 

[Jozz]

Ohlins shocks are very rebuildable. So you can do what I did to my old bike and simply get an ohlins some kid killed on his Spesh and get someone to rebuild it for you. I think in total it cost me $250 and that's in Poland where shit's expensive.

No cheap Ohlins around here.

 

[jstuhlman]

dang. woulda sold you the superdeluxe that came on my first nomad for cheap but it's 235 x 65. i thought it was really good.

 

[Jozz]

dang. woulda sold you the superdeluxe that came on my first nomad for cheap but it's 235 x 65. i thought it was really good.

I hear the same thing about the RSSD. But would need to go used or full price.

The Bomber is really tempting at $200cnd...

 

[canadmos]

I hear the same thing about the RSSD. But would need to go used or full price.

The Bomber is really tempting at $200cnd...

At that price you could probably sell it to Jm after, if you don't like, so he can go tune it for his fat bike. Win win

 

[Nick]

205 x 57.5 (140) to 62.5 (150).

Float X is 60 right now for 145mm travel. I'd like the coil to be at max travel the frame can take, so 62.5 for the 150mm travel.

if a 205x65 would work, I've got a Fox for ya.

 

[jstuhlman]

I hear the same thing about the RSSD. But would need to go used or full price.

The Bomber is really tempting at $200cnd...

ooh-that is good. go for it!

 

[Fool]

The Bomber CR definitely punches above its weight, or whatever euphemism you prefer.

 

[sethimus]

i have a 205x65 sddc laying around. but you are in the us, right?

 

[Jozz]

if a 205x65 would work, I've got a Fox for ya.

i have a 205x65 sddc laying around. but you are in the us, right?

I'm in America's France.

Thanks for the offers guys.

But 65 won't fit. And with exchange rate and shipping it's not worth the hassle.

Thinking my mind is set to try the Bomber with SLS spring.

 

[Westy]

I'm in America's France.

Isn't that more of America's Beret?

 

[Jozz]

Isn't that more of America's Beret?

Underarm baguette?

 

[SkaredShtles]

Great. Now I'm hungry for a baguette.

 

[rideit]

It’s a gringo toque.

 

[Jozz]

Great. Now I'm hungry for a braguette.

FTF ya pervert.

 

[djjohnr]

Scout is at 25%

Current Scout? If so the leverage ratio is 2.43; there's a good chance you'll want a lighter compression tune on a stock DHX/CR. A Super Deluxe might be a better bet as those come stock with light comp tunes.

 

[bullcrew]

if a 205x65 would work, I've got a Fox for ya.

Should work on the DHX2 on the bottom of the body of the shock You can put adapters on there to displace the throw to take it to 62.5

 

[SylentK]

I've done that. But back then it was the Fox version of the Marz CR. That's all you really need. Tricky bit is the spring and adaptors, but they're cheap. For me, one bike had 6mm hardware, the other 8. Blah blah insert mindless drivel. A positive is that you are now running a basic damper and spring. It pretty much brings out the good and bad out of the bike cuz no fancy suspension adjustment bit is covering up for a bad/sub optimal design. Not that that ever happens in today's society

At one point it was floating around 2-3 bikes mainly due to the same situation you're in. All you need is the adaptors and spring and you're good to go. Stroke and length is a thing. Luckily for me they were all relatively the same.

 

[Jozz]

I've done that. But back then it was the Fox version of the Marz CR. That's all you really need. Tricky bit is the spring and adaptors, but they're cheap. For me, one bike had 6mm hardware, the other 8. Blah blah insert mindless drivel. A positive is that you are now running a basic damper and spring. It pretty much brings out the good and bad out of the bike cuz no fancy suspension adjustment bit is covering up for a bad/sub optimal design. Not that that ever happens in today's society

At one point it was floating around 2-3 bikes mainly due to the same situation you're in. All you need is the adaptors and spring and you're good to go. Stroke and length is a thing. Luckily for me they were all relatively the same.

Haven't looked into the mounting hardware. Since both are Fox products, hopefully I can just switch hardware.

Ordered it yesterday, Bomber CR and SLS spring.
$290cnd. At that price it was hard to pass. If base compression ends up being to much, I'll just have S4 tune it at the end of the season.

 

[sethimus]

thats under 200 in real money. good deal

 

[Jozz]

thats under 200 in real money. good deal

Would that be USD or EUR? Aboot the same hey?

 

[Jm_]

IME, the Bomber CR has some wacky rebound. I've read it's ported too small and that's the source, if you increase it too much, it starts affecting compression. I modded mine and it works "ok", not great, but at times the best thing I have going. It's cheap and works pretty good, so it's hard to diss much, plus lots of tuners will work on em. If I was going for a new "good" mainstream coil shock and price wasn't the all out most important factor, I'd probably be looking closely at the SDU, it has some of the least wacky stuff going on, compared to Fox, etc.

 

[Jozz]

IME, the Bomber CR has some wacky rebound. I've read it's ported too small and that's the source, if you increase it too much, it starts affecting compression. I modded mine and it works "ok", not great, but at times the best thing I have going. It's cheap and works pretty good, so it's hard to diss much, plus lots of tuners will work on em. If I was going for a new "good" mainstream coil shock and price wasn't the all out most important factor, I'd probably be looking closely at the SDU, it has some of the least wacky stuff going on, compared to Fox, etc.

I've read a few reviews that mentioned that, mostly for light riders, which I am. But in the grand scheme of things, I'll ride it and have it tuned at S4 (where my friend works) and try to iron out some of the flaws.