Demo9 / M-Pire / DH9

beaverbiker · May 8, 2004

i rode the dh9 all season last year. while it rips the high speed and big turns, it lacks in the technical, stepp stuff. i've been on the demo for a few mounths now and that bike rips up the tech stuff like nobody's business. it has steeper angles, and shorter chainstays(wheelbase) than the dh9.

Budman · May 8, 2004

DEMO 9 it is a killer bike, my friend has an M-pire and he doesnt like it to much, he is gonna get a demo 9 as soon as he can.

drift1492 · May 8, 2004

M-PIRE it is a killer bike, my friend's friend has a demo 9 and he doesnt like it to much, he is gonna get an M-pire as soon as he can.

Sorry, I had to do it. The post above made me laugh.

Swine · May 9, 2004

Originally posted by Budman
DEMO 9 it is a killer bike, my friend has an M-pire and he doesnt like it to much, he is gonna get a demo 9 as soon as he can.

i cant figure out if hes trying to be funny or hes just stupid?

Jm_ · May 9, 2004

I have a roadmaster ultra off-road xr2, it is the ultimate bike cause i own it. It totally rules.

Lumpy_Gravy · May 9, 2004

What dont you like about the bullit?

or do you just want a change?

Lefty · May 9, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
Hi, i'm considering selling my bullit (maybe) in a few months.

Does anyone have any pics of the following, as i've found them hard to find.

Most of all, does anyone have experience riding any of these bikes, so they can compare the ride. I'm really weighted towards the demo9, and might test ride it soon. The DH9 is a bit too race orientated, as i like to dirt jump on my full sus rig, i also like freeride (drops) and freeride (getting about on the flat too).

Thanks. all advice is good.

Here is Anneke Beerten, a dutch downhill goddes, on her new Demo 9. At the King of Bikepark series in Merxhausen, Germany.

And a lbs mechanic from a friend off mine, owns one.. he is really satisfied with it. Very fast in dh sections.

beaverbiker · May 9, 2004

the demo9 rides waaaaaaaaay better without a 888 (unless you ride it in the 7in mode). in the 8in mode, the front end sits too high. so shrink it down and the bike will rail.

RhinofromWA · May 9, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
ok the demo9 is winning by a mile at the moment, due to adjustable shock placement (reversible), short chainstays, apparently made for a 888r (which i will be riding it with). It's also pretty lightweight, and the linkage looks better for pedalling than the glorified single pivot of the M-Pire. Although for looks, the M-Pire looks better!! What to the team Nicolai people have to say about it!

Freak and VG are riding their M-Pires at Whislter right now.......

I guess they lke them

Nicolai-USA · May 9, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
ok the demo9 is winning by a mile at the moment, due to adjustable shock placement (reversible), short chainstays, apparently made for a 888r (which i will be riding it with). It's also pretty lightweight, and the linkage looks better for pedalling than the glorified single pivot of the M-Pire. Although for looks, the M-Pire looks better!! What to the team Nicolai people have to say about it!

IMHO the demo9 and the M-Pire are two different bikes... seems that the demo9 has its roots in hardcore FR and big jump applications; the M-Pire was designed as a dh race bike, low CG, etc. weight wise I think they are pretty comparable. The M-Pire's linkage is no more or less glorified than any other progressive link single pivot bike. Feedback seems to suggest that the bike pedals nice and is a great dh bike.

D.

beaverbiker · May 9, 2004

the only reason people think a demo9 is a "freeride" bike is because that's how they market it and you can put a front der. on if you want. if you ride the bike or even look at it, you can see that it has a low bb, low cg(the heaviest part of the bike is right above the bottom bracket), with a boxxer the head angle feels like a turner, and the short seat stays make it corner like no other. it is just as much a race bike than any other. anyone ever notice that the so-called "freeriders" ride the same bikes as the people that race.

BMXman · May 10, 2004

I think you should narrow it down to 2 frames then you can make a more informed decision...also describing in detail EXACTLY what you're looking for will help others offer more informed opinions.

As far as the team riders...well what do you honestly think we will say???...we ride for Nicolai...people will just say we're biased because of who we ride for......D

Horrendous Hack · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
ok the demo9 is winning by a mile at the moment, due to adjustable shock placement (reversible), short chainstays, apparently made for a 888r (which i will be riding it with). It's also pretty lightweight, and the linkage looks better for pedalling than the glorified single pivot of the M-Pire. Although for looks, the M-Pire looks better!! What to the team Nicolai people have to say about it!

Hey fellow Englishman! A rare event indeed. If I were you I would consider a BMW Race-link. I don't know how close you are to Manchester but the Brooklyn Machine Works distributor is there called Ged the Head. They told me that there was to be a 'considerable' cut in prices. It's an amazing bike, I recently went up to tested one and I was blown away. The stiffnes, the pedalling and the the lightness(!!! they managed to get one under 40lbs with an 888). Everything. It pedals amazing well, there is no breake jack, no bob unless you putting everything into it and even then there is hardly any bob/feedback. It's low, longish and well balanced. You have to try one out! I'm going for one, nothing touches it in any department.

punkassean · May 10, 2004

The Demo is expensive because it has a lot of technology behind it. Specialized is a big corporation but don't let that make your decision for you. Is the Demo the bike you want? Does is meet or exceed your needs/wants? Can you find the money? The Demo 9 Pro for about 4K complete in the US and the frame for about $2,500. not bad for what it is!

RhinofromWA · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
For the Rotec, i had seen it in Dirt, although i want to move away from something as a simple single pivot.

Any more suggestions?

One stuck person.

The M-Pire is a Single Pivot and so is the BMW.... :confused:

Unless you mean that they also use linkage to actuate the shock....then you are correct. Older Rotec used linkage. New Rotecs simplified themselves and use the new technology shocks for what they are intended.

Just thought I would help you with your single pivot definition.

I have no idea what different brands cost over seas. But Giant DH, Orange (though a Single pivot no linkage bike) and Iron Horse models might be options.

Horrendous Hack · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
ok update.

demo9 is £1999 here, that is way expensive for what it is, and i'd really rather give my heard earned cash to a non-corporate.

so it really is just the M-Pire at the mo, and then Hack comes in and mentions BMW! I spoke to the guys at 202426 the other day about a mini-link actually, but they really are prohibitvely expensive, as are race-links. Unless there is a considerable price drop as you say. Although i've never liked 2 chain bikes . G-Boxx or whatever,...seems unecessary.

For the Rotec, i had seen it in Dirt, although i want to move away from something as a simple single pivot.

Any more suggestions?

One stuck person.

There will be a big price drop. The jackhaft system is extemely effectie and doesn't seem to fail at all. IT would last you for a long time too.

Also remeber, you get the crankset, hub, hock etc. when you buy the frame.

Echo · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by BMXman
Self promotion?? you care to explain...I don't take it to kindly when my integrity is called into question....D

Dude you own Nicolai now? Contrats!

BMXman · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by Echo
Dude you own Nicolai now? Contrats!

oh yeah and not just one but 2....I will have a 3rd as soon as the rest of my comics sell on ebay :thumb:

Echo · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by BMXman
oh yeah and not just one but 2....I will have a 3rd as soon as the rest of my comics sell on ebay

No i mean you must own the company! That's the only way I can see that someone could accuse you of spam...

Lexx D · May 10, 2004

I think someone still wants advice on a bike. It's nice to see moderators derail like this.

Ridemonkey · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by Lexx D
I think someone still wants advice on a bike. It's nice to see moderators derail like this.

Fair enough. Controversy removed.

Horrendous Hack · May 10, 2004

Well JC, you may have to widen your specifications. all 3 bikes and the BMWs are all great bikes and can be built up to be devilishly fast. See if you can get experience on them. the Sinister R9 is said to be a onster. Can't forget the Canfield F1 either, that's a great frame.

P.S Cheers RM for removing the banter.

John Sullivan` · May 10, 2004

Sorry for all the emotions, my appoliges and Iam done as well

MMike · May 10, 2004

I missed a fight??? DAMMIT!!!

BMXman · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by Echo
No i mean you must own the company! That's the only way I can see that someone could accuse you of spam...

ahh.. I see somehow I read your post wrong I thought it said "a" Nicolai

Jeremy R · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by MMike
I missed a fight??? DAMMIT!!!

No doubt, maybe it will be on pay per view?

Nicolai-USA · May 10, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
ok update.

demo9 is £1999 here, that is way expensive for what it is, and i'd really rather give my heard earned cash to a non-corporate.

so it really is just the M-Pire at the mo, and then Hack comes in and mentions BMW! I spoke to the guys at 202426 the other day about a mini-link actually, but they really are prohibitvely expensive, as are race-links. Unless there is a considerable price drop as you say. Although i've never liked 2 chain bikes . G-Boxx or whatever,...seems unecessary.

For the Rotec, i had seen it in Dirt, although i want to move away from something as a simple single pivot.

Any more suggestions?

One stuck person.

I know that Mike Foxholm, the UK distributor for Nicolai has (will shortly have) a demo bike or two... give him a shoult, mike@nicolai-uk.com

The M-Pire has a nice progressive feel to it, super soft at first, and ramping up towards the end of the travel.

Cheers,

Danny

ervi8700 · May 11, 2004

The m-pire's rear swingarm legs stick out to far and when you pedal your feet hit them. Have rode them both and you should go for a demo its way more versital...

Nicolai-USA · May 11, 2004

Originally posted by ervi8700
The m-pire's rear swingarm legs stick out to far and when you pedal your feet hit them. Have rode them both and you should go for a demo its way more versital...

indeed, some people experience that, although it varies by the riders stance over the bike; most everyone I know of gets used to it quickly and it becomes a non-issue.

As for the Demo being more versatile it depends on what you define versatile as...

dropmachine · May 11, 2004

Originally posted by Nicolai-USA
As for the Demo being more versatile it depends on what you define versatile as...

Uhh, being able to do many things? Able to ride in mulitple disciplines? How else can you possibly ersatile in this case? I'm pretty sure nobody cares how many languages the bike can understand....

kidwoo · May 12, 2004

Originally posted by JK:UK
well i had probs with the chainstays taking off my shoes with my old le toy III, do you reckon i'll have probs with the nicolai?

Whoa that's awesome!!! Could you aim them at people's heads while you were in the air?

binary visions · May 12, 2004

Originally posted by kidwoo
Whoa that's awesome!!! Could you aim them at people's heads while you were in the air?

It'd be useful when someone's in your way on a race course..

"Get out of the way!"

<no response>

"GET OUT OF THE WAY!"

<no response>

"F&$#@ you!" <kick>

WHAM! The impact of a mud and water logged shoe travelling at 20mph into the side of their head. Then you can use their prostrate body as traction to get a little speed boost.

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