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did u see Lance's Cross bike on VN ?

sanjuro

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rockracing said:
yeah, they say wound up, very nice looking.

Yeah, that is a Wound-Up fork. If you were to own a Seven, you would recognize it immediately.

The big thing about Wound-Up is it uses an aluminum crown. Most high-end forks today are completely carbon.

It is a much stronger fork, and little chance of screwing up the crown race seat, but it is 100 grams heavier than its competitors. Obviously the best choice for a disc cyclocross bike, though.
 

JMAC

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genpowell71 said:
Yeah, nice bike.

Now if we could get him to stop being such a prick in person and give him some personality, we'd have a true champion...
I second that but there's better for cx bikes.....just ask indie
 

Motionboy2

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sanjuro said:
It is a much stronger fork
I don't know if I would say that. There are some pretty nice forks out there and Wound up relies on some older technology for their forks.
Don't get me wrong, wound up makes some nice stuff, I just don't think I would go saying that it is stronger than the other stuff that is out there.

So did the UCI lift the ban on Disc brakes?
 

indieboy

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one: the gearing is road gearing, not cross gearing
two: the disc brakes just don't work on a cross bike or atleast not race bikes. if you want to run them on a trail cross bike, knock yourself out. but you come close to me in a race on a dismount with that rotor spinning at full speed i'm going to have some words with you.
those are my only gripes with the bike. the wound up forks are pretty nice, but i think the alpha Q and the reylonds are a bit nicer and lighter....
 

Skookum

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indieboy said:
one: the gearing is road gearing, not cross gearing
two: the disc brakes just don't work on a cross bike or atleast not race bikes. if you want to run them on a trail cross bike, knock yourself out. but you come close to me in a race on a dismount with that rotor spinning at full speed i'm going to have some words with you.
those are my only gripes with the bike. the wound up forks are pretty nice, but i think the alpha Q and the reylonds are a bit nicer and lighter....
So what you're still stupid. :D :dancing:
 
JMAC said:
Aren't disks illegal in cx anyway?.....
i actually got the answer to this whole problem before. they are legal now. from someone i truly trust in the industry, and one that has been there for quite a while, it was more that avid didn;t apply to make sure they were legal.......so not technically a ban. just not accepted yet. but yes they are legal
 

indieboy

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they were banned, then the ban was lifted. it was just for racing though. but what company is going to put $$ into products that aren't race legal and their riders can't use
 

oldfart

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indieboy said:
one: the gearing is road gearing, not cross gearing
two: the disc brakes just don't work on a cross bike or atleast not race bikes. but you come close to me in a race on a dismount with that rotor spinning at full speed i'm going to have some words with you.
Why? Surely you don't think the disc is some how going to injure you? I doesn't happen in mountainbike races so what's different in cross which would make a disc dangerous. I mean do you get your fingers in a competitors spinning wheel?

Those discs are heavy though which is a disadvantage in cross. But they are relatively unaffected by mud and water so your braking will be more consistent which allows you to ride faster and safer which is an advantage.
 

oldfart

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indieboy said:
they were banned, then the ban was lifted. it was just for racing though. but what company is going to put $$ into products that aren't race legal and their riders can't use
No they were not banned. They are not approved because no one has sought approval. That was the UCI response last year.
 

Buck Fever

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My pet peeve - overly complex application in an effort to stick with the "norm". Way too many spacers on that steerer tube. The stem should be flipped and lowered to acheive the same bar height. It's lighter, stiffer and can still be set up to have height adjustment in both directions.
 

Arm On Fire

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Agree with above, looks like for some reason they didn't want to cut the steerer.

The spinning disc arguement is ridiculous, what about the whole freakin wheel?
More area to catch a body part in the spinning spoke than the disc rotor.
Sounds to me like you just don't likle disc, smoke screen.
 

indieboy

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oldfart said:
Why? Surely you don't think the disc is some how going to injure you? I doesn't happen in mountainbike races so what's different in cross which would make a disc dangerous. I mean do you get your fingers in a competitors spinning wheel?

Those discs are heavy though which is a disadvantage in cross. But they are relatively unaffected by mud and water so your braking will be more consistent which allows you to ride faster and safer which is an advantage.
you don't get off and run with your bike at 20+ mph in a cross country mtn bike race like you do in a cx race. bikes are thrown around and whipped over the shoulder so fast that there's no reaction time. wheels have been known to smack ppl and if you've raced in a big cx race you'll know how close some of those guys get to each other.....
 
Regardless of how the bikes are swinging around, the disc doesn't stick out any farther than the fork and it's hardly a major protrusion. It's like being afraid of getting chewed by a cassette tooth.

EDIT: Not to mention the edges of disc rotors aren't sharpened to a point anyway. It would take a ton of impact to cause a laceration.
 

JMAC

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CChase86 said:
Regardless of how the bikes are swinging around, the disc doesn't stick out any farther than the fork and it's hardly a major protrusion. It's like being afraid of getting chewed by a cassette tooth.

EDIT: Not to mention the edges of disc rotors aren't sharpened to a point anyway. It would take a ton of impact to cause a laceration.
Dude have u ever touched a disk rotor after some hard breaking? My friend touched mine after a short DH section and he had a huge burn mark....
 
JMAC said:
Dude have u ever touched a disk rotor after some hard breaking? My friend touched mine after a short DH section and he had a huge burn mark....
Many times. To get to burning temperatures you're going to need to do a lot more braking than you will get in a CX Race. Not to mention my original point that it's kind of out of the way by a lot.
 

me89

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kind new to this whole cx race thing but why dismount the bike and fling it over your shoulder. i mean the bikes werent meant to take you threw some supper techy and super rough section and the things climb like mountain goats. so why even bother dismounting. and dude your not going to get hit by a rotor when someone fligs it up in the air. its behind the fork legs and the caliper is flush with them. you are more likely to get hit with the legs befor you get hit with the rotor. quit whining and suck it up lol. and about the spacers its lance guys come on everything is overkill for that man. ohh and about gettting lasserations with a rotor take a look at these bad boys. not done to a point ehh.
gothic rotor

now those are dangerous
 

indieboy

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you start off on the wrong foot by saying you're new to it. get another year or two under your belt then come back.
and please learn some grammar........ :/
 

me89

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okay yeh sorry i guess i was just looking for an explanation. sorry for asking. and obviously some people have a problem with souther peps so ill just go away and never come back to this thread. :nuts: :nuts: lol
 

indieboy

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i don't have any problem with southern peeps. i'd be willing to bet my southern heritage well exceeds your own......
 

indieboy

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no, but my mom's side of the family has been in the south since the early 1600's and not a single person fought for the union :)
 

Westy

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indieboy said:
no, but my mom's side of the family has been in the south since the early 1600's and not a single person fought for the union :)
So your saying your family is full of losers? Sorry I can't help myself. You planning on doing any races up north here this year?
 

indieboy

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i hadn't honestly looked at all the races i wanted to do yet......odd huh? i've just had my mind on soooooooooooo many other things i hadn't really thought about it. i don't know what will be done mtn bike wise in terms of traveling. i'll travel the southeast but i'm getting an apartment this summer and that will make things hard to travel outside of the carolina's and the true southeast. we'll see what happens, i think i'll be up there a bit for CX. i want to do well with CX and there will be a few UCI races and what not around your area so a few friends and i have made plans to travel around a bit.
 

Wumpus

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Motionboy2 said:
So did the UCI lift the ban on Disc brakes?

Rules Interpretations > Disk Brakes

Disk brakes are not allowed in UCI events other than mountain bike events. While last year this was an interpretation of the UCI given that disk brakes had never been approved for any races, this year it has been clearly written into the UCI rules that disk brakes are not allowed. Thus, if you are riding cyclocross, you may use disk brakes only if the race is USCF only. For any event on the UCI calendar, if you are in the Elite Men, Elite Women, U23 Men, or Junior Men, and these races were put on the calendar, then you cannot use disk brakes. If the organizer has also included masters events or events for category 3 riders, or juniors below 17 years old, then disk brakes will be allowed.

Be advised that as of January 1st, 2007, UCI rules for bicycles will take effect in all USCF races, so unless the UCI rules change, disk brakes will then not be allowed in any races other than mountain bike.

This Article Published 2004-10-05.
 

James

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indieboy said:
as it should be
No, that's dumb. There are a lot of pointless, byzantine rules that the UCI has. In my opinion, disc brakes make perfect sense for CX bikes, ridden in super-gnarly conditions, mud, ice, snow, places that a disc brake make all sorts of sense versus cantis.
And the rotors are not *nearly* as dangerous as some of those wheels out there, low spoke-count, bladed wheels, that's a missing finger waiting to happen. It'd be really, really hard to hurt someone with your rotors...
I wonder if they could reduce the rotor diameter for CX bike use, maybe you wouldn't need as much power, like a 4" rotor or something? Didn't Hope used to do that on their Mini brakes for the rear rotor a while back?
Anyway...I kinda rambled, but still...a lot of those UCI rules are stupid.

JJames