I like the point one racing pedals over the canfield. They look much more polished and thought out. really good innovation imo.
www.pointoneracing.com
www.pointoneracing.com
As no one on this forum has a pair yet, it's kinda difficult to base opinions on anything else!The problem here is that you are basing your opinion on looks. Whether or not you realize it, pedals have certain performance characteristics based on design (and the traits should be your evaluation criteria).
For whats worth, you'll lose one potential customer here if you lose the wrench flats.You know, it's something that we really considered, personally, I wanted to eliminate the wrench flats, but a lot of the WC mechanics wanted them. It's something that we may address again in the future. The production axle did change from what is in the picture with the green platforms.
The pin system is pretty ingenious in my eyes.Don't know how much canfield pedals are, but I would buy them over those e-13's.
This time I really can't jump on the trend boat, these pedals don't look like anything that special. The canfields have presented a whole new idea.
Exactly. The point I was really trying to convey is that people shouldn't write off a product based solely on looks. But then again this is the innernetz.As no one on this forum has a pair yet, it's kinda difficult to base opinions on anything else!
Fixed it for you.Exactly. The point I was really trying to convey is that people shouldn't write off a product based solely on looks. But then again this is Ridemonkey.
I end up taking forever to get them back on and back into a comfortable position. That's why I like my clips.Why does everyone think that picture makes them look hammered? They look pretty cherry to me, just have dots of water on them.
One riding area that I've been hitting recently has had me considering trying out flats again because it's so steep and so loose (been riding DH clipped in for the last few years), and when I give the whole 5.10's/long pins a try, I find it's actually faster for me to get my foot out from clips then it is to try and get my foot UP off the pins, sideways, then down rather than just yanking my foot out and down with the clip-ins. The benefit would come from getting back onto the pedal safely and sooner and more reliably. I just laugh anytime I hear the argument "well clips don't let you get your feet off the pedal as fast".
Why does everyone think that picture makes them look hammered? They look pretty cherry to me, just have dots of water on them.
One riding area that I've been hitting recently has had me considering trying out flats again because it's so steep and so loose (been riding DH clipped in for the last few years), and when I give the whole 5.10's/long pins a try, I find it's actually faster for me to get my foot out from clips then it is to try and get my foot UP off the pins, sideways, then down rather than just yanking my foot out and down with the clip-ins. The benefit would come from getting back onto the pedal safely and sooner and more reliably. I just laugh anytime I hear the argument "well clips don't let you get your feet off the pedal as fast".
How so?The pin system is pretty ingenious in my eyes.
Wouldn't have guessed. Why do you prefer wrench flats over allen head?For whats worth, you'll lose one potential customer here if you lose the wrench flats.
Those pedals have 10 months on them and we have switched out platforms a couple times to test different materials. They are performing exactly as planned, and we expect that they should last for many seasons.I'm sure he has been on those pedals for a while.
Those pedals have 10 months on them and we have switched out platforms a couple times to test different materials. They are performing exactly as planned, and we expect that they should last for many seasons.QUOTE]
Does the use of the plastic material help the pedal slide of rocks when you hit them or more designed for durability?
I would like a set por favor.For the naysayers; don't sweat it. They are not available, and they won't be until we are ready to build production versions. There are plenty of other pedals out there.
More than anything they are to allow for longer life and durability of the bearings/bushings. In my experience with pedals in DH applications impacts will smoke bearings since brinelling will occur when you reach the elastic limit of the bearing ring material. In other pedal applications, wear appears to be due to a combination of normal fatigue, corrosion, contamination, and lack of lubrication. A plastic exoskeleton will reduce the impact force on the bearings. Since force is defined by m*(delta v/delta t) you can see that dissipating energy over a longer period of time has a significant effect on force. I'm sure the pedals will function as well as some of the other higher end conventional pedals out there based on e.13's track record, but my personal opinion is that it makes the pedal and manufacturing of it more intricate all for what I perceive as minor problems. Replace a plastic exoskeleton that increases pedal cost or replace bearings/bushings for $5? I guess there are alot of end users that would rather replace something less trivial than a bearing.Does the use of the plastic material help the pedal slide of rocks when you hit them or more designed for durability?
Just curious, why does a flat pedal have to last long? With reasonable maintenance you get 2-3 years out of a pair MG-1s and they are so cheap you just replace the pedal after that. Even if you destroy them after one year you still get your money's worth. The only advantage I see in the e.13 pedals is that the plastic helps them slide over rocks better than aluminum/magnesium. Similar to the Supercharger. Dunno if the pins neglect this feature though.More than anything they are to allow for longer life and durability of the bearings/bushings. .....
With no maintenance I'm still using a set of 636's 12 years later. Many shoes killed, nothing wrong with the pedal at all.Just curious, why does a flat pedal have to last long? With reasonable maintenance you get 2-3 years out of a pair MG-1s
I've got the same pedals. I've had to put new axle bearings in, but that's it.With no maintenance I'm still using a set of 636's 12 years later. Many shoes killed, nothing wrong with the pedal at all.
Why design a part to fail after a certain amount of time, especially one you depend on to get down the hill in one piece?
You are riding the same bike 12 years later as well? As you said, you really depend on the pedal and a failure would be bad during a run. And if you build on the edge of lightweight I rather switch pedals more often than taking the risk of them to fail. And even the best material fatigues at some point.With no maintenance I'm still using a set of 636's 12 years later. Many shoes killed, nothing wrong with the pedal at all.
Why design a part to fail after a certain amount of time, especially one you depend on to get down the hill in one piece?
I doubt people bitching speeds up the process.DW, do you have a "guestimate" when these might be available?
He's answered that multiple times in multiple threads.DW, do you have a "guestimate" when these might be available?
DW, do you have a "guestimate" when these might be available?
There ya go i fixed for yaI doubt people nagging speeds up the process.
They'll be available when they're ready, they have no target date.
Those are probably on Heikki's bike. He has been on them for awhile now.
agreed. i want spikes!Yes those pedals were on my bike. Those Dirt guys are sneaky. My bike couldnt have been left in the e*thirteen/ Sliverfish pits for much more than an hour. I checked the Dirt Mag website that evening and I knew that this thread was going to appear.
Those pedals have been on my bike for over ten months now and they had a significant ammount of riding time on them before I got them. They were debuted at the US Open over a year ago and they went into significant testing right after that. As far as I am concerned the pedals hold up astoundingly well. With how low the BB is on some of the bikes on the bikes that I have ridden the past couple of years I have put a thrashing on pedals. I have ridden just about every decent flat pedal on the market and so far these are lasting 3-4 times longer than anything else that I have tried.
About the pins, obviously I tend to like longer pins than most. Those are long, probably about twice as high as they are planned or need to be for "production". Its just a preferance thing, much shorter pins get the job done just as well, but when the bike starts bouncing around at higher speeds the longer pins help me stay connected with the bike much better.
Riiight, thanks I seen what he said BUT I wasn't looking for how many seconds since EPOCH until they will release but more like this year or not. If not this year I am gonna buy a different platform pedal and will not consider holding out.He's answered that multiple times in multiple threads.
They'll be available when they're ready, they have no target date.
They might be, might not be... that said I recently ordered a set of straitlines, when the e.13's do come out, I may purchase a set then. Do what you need to do.Riiight, thanks I seen what he said BUT I wasn't looking for how many seconds since EPOCH until they will release but more like this year or not. If not this year I am gonna buy a different platform pedal and will not consider holding out.