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Enduro Pro & 36; semi-update

Buck Fever

Monkey
Jul 12, 2004
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Hipsterville USA
I was able to escape the cold of the east coast to enjoy a few days of unseasonable pouring rain in Phoenix, AZ. I was able to ride twice on my four day trip and on one of those days, I was blessed with an unattractive, but non-precipitous haze hanging over Mesa, AZ, enabling me to enjoy the Hawes Mountain loop and my first real ride on my new Enduro (and the 36)…unless you count a four hour push-a-bike in 6” of snow slush a few weeks ago.

The frame:
One of the unexpected traits that I noticed, was the ability to more easily get over trail obstacles when going uphill. It should be noted that I’ve been riding for about 12 years and until this year, I’ve been a staunch hold out on FS bikes. I didn’t have a single incident where I spun the rear tire while climbing. At first I didn’t want to believe that the rear suspension was actually allowing me to get over the rock steps that would occasionally pop up in the trail. I started picking the worst line I could see while I was climbing and to my amazement, no matter how sloppily I hit an obstacle, traction was maintained…I’m in the worst shape of my life right now, and believe me, I rode plenty sloppily.

I also noticed how much distance I was putting in between me and my riding partner, and how quickly I was doing it, on the downhills. To be perfectly honest, I haven’t been riding much over the past six months and I was taking it VERY easy while trying to avoid the various pointy objects, waiting just off trail, for me to make mistakes. Still, I found that it was easy to stay off the brakes and flow on the descents. The bike tracked well, more a testament to the fork I think, but overall it was very predictable.

Some negatives:
I’m sure this is just a matter of growing accustomed to the bike, but I feel that the BB is unreasonably low considering the travel on this bike. I’ve been riding a Specialist with a 14.5” BB since 1998 and have grown fond of it’s ability to clear most everything. While I don’t expect a FS bike to clear everything in it’s path, I did find that I was bottoming the pedals occasionally when coming over a crest as I was digging to maintain traction. Also, the bike is short and the SA is steeper than advertised. The effective TT is nearly an inch shorter than listed in the geometry chart on their site. I prefer a 24.5” TT and settled on the medium with a 23.5” TT on this bike given the nature of the bike. It measures 22.75”, which is substantially shorter than I would ever prefer. I’m certain this is a result of the SA, which is listed at 69.5 (in the steep setting) but measured 72 with my lie finder. I’ve made adjustments and I’m sure I’ll learn to deal with the different geometry, but it’s a bit annoying that it’s off.

The Fork:
I don’t have a lot to say about the fork. In a lot of ways, it feels just like my TALAS RLC.

Bumps: For bump absorption, I only used about 5” of the travel on my ride which seems just about right since there weren’t any huge square edged bumps or drops more than a few feet. I didn’t touch the compression settings or travel adjust during the ride and the fork behaved as expected. It tracked the ground just right and was neither under or over-damped in any situation.

Braking: This is where I’m going to need to make some compromises. I prefer a very plush ride. I tend to use the lowest pressure setting for my approximate weight to achieve this and as a result, I got some crazy brake dive. I know I could ramp up the low speed compression and I may end up doing just that for select trails (like this one with some relatively steep switchbacks and omnipresent cacti) but most of the time, I’d prefer small bump absorption to a fork with less dive.

Tracking: This is where this fork truly shined. Over and over again, I found myself riding in a rut when coming out of a corner. Over and over again, I expected my usual results of tracking ever so slightly up the shoulder of the rut only to slide back into the center. Without consciously trying, I found myself tracking up the side of the rut and back onto actual trail…the fork just pushed right out without warbling. It was truly surprising.

Overall: I love both the frame and fork. Already I feel that they have allowed me to progress out of a long time funk. It’s a much heavier bike than I have every owned, but riding it has increased my level of enjoyment in almost all situations.
 

Bikael Molton

goofy for life
Jun 9, 2003
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El Lay
Thanks for the review! That is bummer about the geometry spec changes on the Enduro... have you talked to Specialized about that? I would think that you have grounds to get a free trade to the larger size.

Did the 36 bottom out or dive crazily on smaller drops?
I've heard that the TALASs do that, though I believe the TALAS internals have been changed for 05.
When I first heard about the 36, it sounded cool, until I found out it was TALAS technology... there are lots of bad reviews out there for the TALAS. I know that 4X riders like 'em, but I think the TALAS is usually set very stiff for 4X racing.

-robinNY
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
19,033
9,689
AK
How is the 36 for progressiveness? I find the talas seems to dive off of every little impact, especially in steep rock gardens. Essentially it's "too linear". I was hoping this was something that the 36 would address.
 

rpk1988

90210
Dec 6, 2004
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Maryland
Cool, I rode an Enduro Expert with the 36 on it last night at a Specialized Clinic. It had an 8" Juicy 7 in the front, wow that bike is very very very nice....but kind of pricey.

Post pictures asap bro!
 

Buck Fever

Monkey
Jul 12, 2004
255
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Hipsterville USA
new update: the fork is boxed and will be shipped to Fox tomorrow for warrantee. TALAS is broken and won't change ride height. I'll be sure to post the result. :( diappointing to say the least.
 

profro

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2002
5,617
314
Walden Ridge
That is my biggest complaint for my Fox Vanilla and my biggest praise of my Manitou SPV forks.... BRAKE DIVE. It makes riding my Vanilla a simple pain in the a$$ most of the time. I have the compression and preload turned all the way up. The fork feels perfect in a staright line. It gobbles up every little bump, but when braking and turning it dives too much a causes the head angle to get really steep, which I hate. I love how SPV forks settle into a spot and don't dive under those same conditions, but then again the SPV doesn't handle straight line as well.
 

Buck Fever

Monkey
Jul 12, 2004
255
0
Hipsterville USA
jm_ said:
How is the 36 for progressiveness? I find the talas seems to dive off of every little impact, especially in steep rock gardens. Essentially it's "too linear". I was hoping this was something that the 36 would address.
It's a very linear feel until it gets through about 3 or 4 inches in its travel, then it seems to ramp up very quickly.
rpet said:
Did the 36 bottom out or dive crazily on smaller drops?
I've heard that the TALASs do that, though I believe the TALAS internals have been changed for 05.
When I first heard about the 36, it sounded cool, until I found out it was TALAS technology... there are lots of bad reviews out there for the TALAS. I know that 4X riders like 'em, but I think the TALAS is usually set very stiff for 4X racing.
I haven't bottomed it yet, but I didn't have the opportunity to take the bike off anything bigger than a few feet.

I'm a little hesitant about the TALAS as well, since I had to pack up the fork and send it in because the TALAS system is currently non-functional.