Fire is being set to all of the bridges and the sh!t is hitting the fan
Floyd Landis admits to using PEDs most of his career - ESPN
Floyd Landis admits to using PEDs most of his career - ESPN
Floyd is Coming clean
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I don't understand why he fought the charges. He basically bankrupted himself when he knew he was guilty. I still think he should have gotten off....the labs procedures (or lack of) don't hold up to scientific standards. I really don't have much hope that any of these guys are clean. Maybe Wiggins and Miller. I think Contador is a doper.
I'm happy he's coming clean, and I really hope that everything he's saying is true, because more lies would hurt more, but this kinda hurts.
My brain knew he doped, especially in that Tour stage win, but in my heart, I wanted to believe that athletes are capable of those kinds of amazing things. I've been a Floyd fan since way back in the day, when he was an MTB privateer, with a cobbled-together bunch of sponsors. He's the reason my bikes had Magura brakes, and why I lusted after the TWP brake levers.
Oh well...
My brain knew he doped, especially in that Tour stage win, but in my heart, I wanted to believe that athletes are capable of those kinds of amazing things. I've been a Floyd fan since way back in the day, when he was an MTB privateer, with a cobbled-together bunch of sponsors. He's the reason my bikes had Magura brakes, and why I lusted after the TWP brake levers.
Oh well...
I still have a TWP chain tensioner. I always liked watching him race. Seems that the doping controls aren't doing that good of a job catching the cheats. Bernard Kohl said they were paying off technicians at the labs to run tests on his blood/urine so they would know how much he could dope without getting caught.
What convinced me that he was a doper was his overnight success.
Here is a pro who previously won a total of 5 one day races, then in one year, wins 4 stage races in including the biggest of them all.
And how did a guy who cracked, losing 5 minutes, and the next day put 9 minutes into the best riders in the world?
It is totally unheard of in both cases.
And what is really troubling is the honesty.
One thing that I have always admired about Barry Bonds is that he never tried to fool anyone. He was a surly bastard before the doping, and he was the same afterwards.
Mark McGwire looks like 10 times worse because of all his lies and mistruths.
The fact that Landis tried to convince us he was a honest man is the worse part.
Here is a pro who previously won a total of 5 one day races, then in one year, wins 4 stage races in including the biggest of them all.
And how did a guy who cracked, losing 5 minutes, and the next day put 9 minutes into the best riders in the world?
It is totally unheard of in both cases.
And what is really troubling is the honesty.
One thing that I have always admired about Barry Bonds is that he never tried to fool anyone. He was a surly bastard before the doping, and he was the same afterwards.
Mark McGwire looks like 10 times worse because of all his lies and mistruths.
The fact that Landis tried to convince us he was a honest man is the worse part.
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What is sad is all the denial and fighting the charges and then admitting it now makes all his other claims suspect.
Wish someone would just man up and tell the fricking truth for once.
Wish someone would just man up and tell the fricking truth for once.
yeah, he pretty much screwed himself further by not getting in front of it from the beginning and just admitting the truth. sadly he took the Tyler Hamilton route and wound up driving off the same cliff as Tyler. i just don't get these athletes who get caught in doing steroids, hgh, etc. and not just admit the truth when they get caught. Rodney Harrison admitted it when he got caught, apologized, did his suspension and life went on. i have a little more respect for him doing that than if he went the Floyd route. but i've lost respect for him for doing the hgh. all Landis is doing is pissing off the bee's in the hive because he's a bored little boy with nothing better to do. face it dude, you f'ed up, live with it and move on and stop trying to burn people from your past. you got proof all these people doped, provided it, approved it? if so then where is it? you wanted to come clean with everyone about your case, finally admit what most of us already knew that's all fine and dandy. you want to start throwing others under that bus then you need some proof. just because you finally came clean doesn't mean that all your new allegations are true also.
The thing that kills me is that he spent $2 million fighting the doping charge. I would have taken my lumps, even if I didn't use testosterone that year. When he was fighting the charge I hoped that he would get off, but I thought man if that was me I would have kept my money, taken the suspension, and planned my comeback. Like what Vino did 
Yes, only makes him look even more crazy and untrustworthy.The thing that kills me is that he spent $2 million fighting the doping charge. I would have taken my lumps, even if I didn't use testosterone that year. When he was fighting the charge I hoped that he would get off, but I thought man if that was me I would have kept my money, taken the suspension, and planned my comeback. Like what Vino did
Imagine this...a douche finally getting clean.
F*#k you, Floyd.
While we're at it, f*#k you too, Lemond. You stood by this dickhead so you could implicate Lance. I say Lemond loses as much credibility as Floyd. I will always believe they all dope, but now it is impossible to prove it without some level of doubt.
I wonder if he's coming clean just before he offs himself in some crazy rage, but then I think he's just a bitter attention whore like someone else we know of.
F*#k you, Floyd.
While we're at it, f*#k you too, Lemond. You stood by this dickhead so you could implicate Lance. I say Lemond loses as much credibility as Floyd. I will always believe they all dope, but now it is impossible to prove it without some level of doubt.
I wonder if he's coming clean just before he offs himself in some crazy rage, but then I think he's just a bitter attention whore like someone else we know of.
Millar, Vino, even that scumbag Meirhagen all came clean when busted.The thing that kills me is that he spent $2 million fighting the doping charge. I would have taken my lumps, even if I didn't use testosterone that year. When he was fighting the charge I hoped that he would get off, but I thought man if that was me I would have kept my money, taken the suspension, and planned my comeback. Like what Vino did
What a giant douche.
First time I've ever agreed with you!
Vino didn't come clean; his admission that he is racing clean now at LBL was the closest he has come to admitting guilt.
Those emails gave me a headache. I wish they would have done a better job laying out the emails in chronological order. That would have been f*cking cool if Landis had gotten on RS. Oh well...it has now hit the fan and he'll probably never race his bike again.
What a shame. I knew him personally when he was a junior in lancaster, pa. Great kid. Didn't come out of nowhere- he won the jr worlds in I think '92 or 93. Went pro MTB real quick and picked up road in Cali after that with Navigators.
I never would have guessed money and fame would have corrupted him like it did, but we're all human. Irony is that he's probably not lying now, but everyone knows the field has been doped since the 80's. Not an excuse, just a fact. The other irony now is that everyone is just starting to get clean. Things will work out and it's about time some new young heros rise up. Many of these guys have already had their day, including floyd.
One more thing, I know they have evey opportunity and resource, but I still feel bad for these athletes like Tiger, Floyd and others. It's like they socially and mentally remain in 8th grade and get stuck there for life.
I still hope he grows as person and finds the fun, love, simplicity and compassion that he had.
I never would have guessed money and fame would have corrupted him like it did, but we're all human. Irony is that he's probably not lying now, but everyone knows the field has been doped since the 80's. Not an excuse, just a fact. The other irony now is that everyone is just starting to get clean. Things will work out and it's about time some new young heros rise up. Many of these guys have already had their day, including floyd.
One more thing, I know they have evey opportunity and resource, but I still feel bad for these athletes like Tiger, Floyd and others. It's like they socially and mentally remain in 8th grade and get stuck there for life.
I still hope he grows as person and finds the fun, love, simplicity and compassion that he had.
I'm probably one of the few people on here who doesn't have an issue with what Floyd did. Lets take a look at the facts, most of the podium/winners of the past Tour de Frances have been dopers. Take any year in particular and look at the top ten. Here is 2005
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Ivan Basso
3. Jan Ullrich
4. Francisco Mancebo
5. Alexandre Vinokourov
6. Levi Leipheimer
7. Mickael Rasmussen
8. Cadel Evans
9. Floyd Landis
10. Oscar Pereiro Sio
6 of these 10 have been linked to doping, or suspended for doping. When you beat people who obviously are doping year after year, its hard to believe that you are clean as well.
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Ivan Basso
3. Jan Ullrich
4. Francisco Mancebo
5. Alexandre Vinokourov
6. Levi Leipheimer
7. Mickael Rasmussen
8. Cadel Evans
9. Floyd Landis
10. Oscar Pereiro Sio
6 of these 10 have been linked to doping, or suspended for doping. When you beat people who obviously are doping year after year, its hard to believe that you are clean as well.
I have a problem with the lying, free floyd fund, book, lemond threat, not being friendly to old friends(i emailed him years before he won the tour and saw him at talk in Lancaster before he won) and ugly facial hair. The initial doping to me is just the cost of doing business back then.
can't wait to see what sanjuro is cooking up!
Landis is whacked. I kind of feel bad for him. He was just probably doing what ever everyone else around him was doing. He got nailed and lost everything he had in the process while from his point of view, everyone that was just doing the same things he was stills has a great life. Watching someone bottom out and lash out in response is sad. I have no doubt everyone from that era was on the dope and that was Floyd is saying is probably true, but his path and motives to get to this point are just pathetic.
If Floyd could get Livingston or Heras to corroborate what he said, Lance would be screwed. I do agree that Floyd is an a$$ for taking ppls money to help his defense.
Is the owner of the BMC team, Andy Ris, related to Bjarna Ris?? I know Bjarna Ris gave back his yellow jersey afte admitting to doping. he was coaching the Cervelo team when he came clean. If it is his brother, it would give floyd's statement credibility- still ratty, but more believable.
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Does a rational person need anymore evidence to think that Lance was on the dope? I don't maybe the USADA does. They were all on the dope and Lance won on a level playing field. The only thing that Floyd said so far that kind of suprised me was that DZ was on the dope. All I have heard in response was Garmin saying that they knew he has been clean since he was on their team and he was going to focus on winning the ATOC. A non denial and statement of current cleanliness, exactly what the sport needs.
I liked this blog: http://www.cycle-smart.com/blog/2010/05/20/pretty-boy-floyd
This guy is a coach for some local guys.
This guy is a coach for some local guys.
No relation; I believe it's Andy Rihs and Bjarne Riis, one being from Switzerlad and the other Denmark.
McQuaid admits it might have looked bad to accept a $100,000 "contribution" from Lance Armstrong. Wow, you think?
There appears to be a reason these guys are professional cyclists and not physicists.
He's president of the UCI!
Voted in. People are never smart that are voted in. I don't know how it happens. People lose their minds when you give them a ballot.
