I like the design looks good but the rear is a little odd looking...
It's not pointless. I'd tell you the engineering reasons, but you cry too much to hear anyways.Totally pointless curvature in yet another frame. Did someone there even do engineering?
Oh yes, and XL, and trust me, the build planned for this bike is gonna BLOW PEOPLE AWAY. They only do PC, no anno, and the PC this is getting combined with the build, well it's gonna "haunt you from beyond the grave" as hacktastic has said. Hmmmm, 7 pound indestructible race frame...so hot.Im anxious to see one built up I think it will look pretty sick built up.... And or with PC/ANO whichever they decide...
Gem2k do you have one on order???
Thats stupid light ought to be a VERY light build... Anxious man so hurry the hell up.... Like the fact its XL as well bout time they start making stuff big enough for us bigger guys. Glad the brothers made a XL Jedi this year...Oh yes, and XL, and trust me, the build planned for this bike is gonna BLOW PEOPLE AWAY. They only do PC, no anno, and the PC this is getting combined with the build, well it's gonna "haunt you from beyond the grave" as hacktastic has said. Hmmmm, 7 pound indestructible race frame...so hot.
I dont know I see the similarities they both have cranks, 2 wheels, shock, fork, bars, stem and you sit on them Id say thats pretty spot on!
ZOMFG!!! It looks sorta kinda but not really similar to multiple single pivot bikes!!!!! Identical except for the BB area, shock mount, seat tube, headtube, bent top tube, rear wheel dropouts, etc.
Enlighten me.It's not pointless. I'd tell you the engineering reasons, but you cry too much to hear anyways.
Yup I'm the same, just another low pivot single pivot frame, it's light, who cares? Surely a nice axle path will be more beneficial thn a frame that is a pound lighter than a well designed frame.I see an old style Mongoose, the one that had the cool(idea)adjustable shock trunion to adjust BB/head angle etc. This looks like it'll have a shuttle for the front shock mount, so same thing I guess.
Doesn't do much for me in the suspension style, I'm sure the quality is good, hope it's lighter than an old Turner, otherwise, what's the benefit over one?
Yep, XL for me too! Keeping it raw as the day it was born.
I am also expecting a sub 40lb build when it is all said and done.
FTW...FTW!
Ya, I don't get that either. They're not super light, but certainly no tanks. About average, like 9-10lbs w/o shock if I remember correctly. Maybe people just aren't used to a bike of that weight being more or less indestructible.would not be surprised seeing builds well under 40.
everyone says R9's were tanks, but mine is sitting a hair under 40 with out much effort.
11.5# with shock and steel spring for the R9.would not be surprised seeing builds well under 40.
everyone says R9's were tanks, but mine is sitting a hair under 40 with out much effort.
no linkage, so it's pretty easy to roughly plot the leverage curve.Whats the leverage curve like?
Im with you on this. Don't really care for frame weight that much lately as long as its not more than ~5kg with shock you will get the bike to the 37-40 area with very strong parts so what is more important for me is suspension and geometry. Cant comment on the geo but yeah, even a low pivot with a well thought link would imho suit it better. Though it looks nice.Yup I'm the same, just another low pivot single pivot frame, it's light, who cares? Surely a nice axle path will be more beneficial thn a frame that is a pound lighter than a well designed frame.
Im not really complaining about stiffening at breaking - no problem for me. Rode a bike that did stiffen a lot but I had no problem with it. I simply belive that you can have more control over axlepath and leverage and I was not saying I don't like single pivots. I like sp bikes but a linkage driven sp allows you much more imho.The biggest complaint about single pivot bikes that I hear has to do with the fact that the suspension tends to stiffen up when braking. Once you learn how to brake properly, you can use it to your advantage. IMO all of the fancy linkages on a number of bikes are great, but can lead to what I would consider lazy riding. A pure single pivot bike is not meant to be a pure plow bike. Some people find this to be a disadvantage or drawback. Then again, plow riding is not what interests me. I prefer to work the bike into good lines rather than to just hang on and mash through. Once you have figured the braking out, you are left with a simple, stiff, reliable, light, responsive ride. When you combine that with the impeccable build quality, bang-on geometry and near indestructability brought by FTW's mastery of frame building, there is not a whole lot to complain about.
Seems to me that if you are looking for a plow bike, look at something like a Jedi. Equally awesome frame, totally different riding style.
So in short, your saying you like a bike that doesn't work? Any bike can be set up (poorly) so that it won't be responsive to it's terrain, and skip and buck. The FTW bike would be great on a 4X type track(smooth with big jumps and burms), but not anywhere near as tuneable or benneficial as other bikes on a proper DH track. It will however have steering that gets quicker in corners, lots of people do seem to prefer this,I'm still not sure if it's quicker or just feels quicker.The biggest complaint about single pivot bikes that I hear has to do with the fact that the suspension tends to stiffen up when braking. Once you learn how to brake properly, you can use it to your advantage. IMO all of the fancy linkages on a number of bikes are great, but can lead to what I would consider lazy riding. A pure single pivot bike is not meant to be a pure plow bike. Some people find this to be a disadvantage or drawback. Then again, plow riding is not what interests me. I prefer to work the bike into good lines rather than to just hang on and mash through. Once you have figured the braking out, you are left with a simple, stiff, reliable, light, responsive ride. When you combine that with the impeccable build quality, bang-on geometry and near indestructability brought by FTW's mastery of frame building, there is not a whole lot to complain about.
Seems to me that if you are looking for a plow bike, look at something like a Jedi. Equally awesome frame, totally different riding style.
Retard.So in short, your saying you like a bike that doesn't work? Any bike can be set up (poorly) so that it won't be responsive to it's terrain, and skip and buck. The FTW bike would be great on a 4X type track(smooth with big jumps and burms), but not anywhere near as tuneable or benneficial as other bikes on a proper DH track. It will however have steering that gets quicker in corners, lots of people do seem to prefer this,I'm still not sure if it's quicker or just feels quicker.
There is no more straight forward design, doesn't make it right for me, might for others.
Has the weight been confirmed? It looks heavy to me.
Retard.
Sorry fellas, didn't mean to sound like I was preaching facts. Feel free to discuss it. I thought what I was saying was fairly accurate, but I'm on here to learn as much as anything. So please explain how I'm wrong.I love it when people post their opinion as fact