Interesting to me that most people who already make most of their bikes in Asia are 100% behind carbon, and most people who have a US-based production system say "to hell with carbonz". I hope the chinese carbon market cuts the legs out from under them personally, as you can get a hardtail that's virtually identical to something marketed by the big boys for ~$1300 cheaper. It'll drive the market more towards US-based production, or cheaper prices, either of which I'm ok with. I still can't get over that you can get a hand-made, US built Foes frame for almost $1000 cheaper than you can get a carbon bike from a company with the very worst reputation in the industry. Oh well, at least you know 100% of your money is going to one guy in an office and not a dedicated team of fabricators and engineers.