Hadley or King?

dexterq20 · Nov 5, 2004

Flip a coin, bro. Both are top-notch pieces of machinery.

Jimmy_Pop · Nov 5, 2004

hadley has a option for a 108pt engagement. that more than a king right?

11:11 · Nov 5, 2004

and you can convert front hadley 20mm hub to QR
they are selling the end cups for $30-35 ish

hope this helps

trialsmasta · Nov 5, 2004

I'm in the same boat as you. The EP price is a little less with the Hadley for the set up that I want, but it's only got a 3 year warranty. King has five but they say they won't warranty against trials use where as hadley does. So I'm thinking hmmm 3 years of trials use thats pretty damn good, or me calling up king and them being like, dude we can tell you rode trials with this and having to shell out $$$$$. Funny thing is a ton of top trials riders all use King hubs. Hans Rey, Leech, you name it they got um. I think right now because of the price, engagement points and warranty I might be leaning towards the Hadley. Who knows next week I might have changed my mind.

BikeFan84 · Nov 5, 2004

joel hester said:
hadley has a option for a 108pt engagement. that more than a king right?

No I believe that king has a 116 point engagement, out of the box they do feel similar, in your hands, both hubs will last forever, I have Hadleys hubs for the bikes with through axles front and rear, and rear King hubs on anything with QR. :thumb:

Both sets are amazing, but if you are running a rear through axle then Hadley is the only way to go.....better than Hugi, Dimension, WTB, Woodman, etc.

Weaver · Nov 6, 2004

im in the same boat....actually checked on an order today....

im going with the stealth rear hub.... ever felt one of those? its a one way bearing that has true instant engagement... even quicker than king or hadley...

i have kings on mybmx bike and love them....ive ridden hadleys on mtbikes (the trials option) and they kick ass...

king is out of bolt on hubs right now.... hadley they come in in a week... im waiting a month for the stealth...and its worth it....

but any of those hubs are approxiamtely the same weight, engagement, and price

nickaziz · Nov 6, 2004

Weaver said:
im going with the stealth rear hub....

Are they available again?

seismic · Nov 6, 2004

CK...sooo nice !

Bulldog · Nov 6, 2004

crashnscar said:
True, but the chances are I won't be letting the extra cash go for that option.

Well then if engagement is important there is no debate between King and stock Hadley. Hadley engagement is garbage, big lag, no better than Shimano. The converson options are nice, so you need to decide what your priorities are first. And yes I've owned all 3 so I speak from actual direct experience.

Bacardi · Nov 6, 2004

Bulldog said:
Hadley engagement is garbage, big lag, no better than Shimano. .

But they Spin Sooooo much better

Crash_Tested · Nov 6, 2004

Hadley trials freehub option did not cost any extra from go-ride and the engagement rivals king. 10mm thru-axel is the way to go if you have standard QR drops. what i described is about $265

the axel actually weighs less than a DT skewer

binary visions · Nov 6, 2004

nickaziz said:
Are they available again?

Nope, and they've been vaporware for years now.

gmac · Nov 6, 2004

Well beware some of those things are quite loud.

A little noise is cool of course. But, realistically I think most people find that buzzzzzzz noise is excessive.

Anyone know which is quieter ? Maybe its the Hadley's w/ less engagement ?

Weaver · Nov 6, 2004

binary visions said:
Nope, and they've been vaporware for years now.

what is vaporware?

and speaking with trueprecision, the mountainbike version will be shipped in a month... the bmx ones are shipping again already... a friend just got two sets in

binary visions · Nov 6, 2004

Weaver said:
what is vaporware?

and speaking with trueprecision, the mountainbike version will be shipped in a month... the bmx ones are shipping again already... a friend just got two sets in

Vaporware is a term that was coined in the computer industry for software that is promised but never appears. It's sort of spread to become a universal term for anything that gets promised and promised and promised but never actually gets made/shipped.

I would be really impressed if the mountain bike hubs actually ship in a month - they've been saying "next month" for a couple years now. I'd be really psyched to try out a set of those hubs.

Weaver · Nov 6, 2004

binary visions said:
Vaporware is a term that was coined in the computer industry for software that is promised but never appears. It's sort of spread to become a universal term for anything that gets promised and promised and promised but never actually gets made/shipped.

I would be really impressed if the mountain bike hubs actually ship in a month - they've been saying "next month" for a couple years now. I'd be really psyched to try out a set of those hubs.

ah.

well the bmx ones werent available for a while either but are now, so im hoping that my mtbike one will actually be in then.... i run kings on my bmx, but love the feel of the stealths so choices for my 4X bike are 1) stealth 2)king 3)hadley

kings arent available till the beginning of the year (through king with the bolt ons) so i figure if the stealth isnt ready in a month i will wait till the beginning of the year and get the kings... or grow impatient and order them and the conversion kit too and spend too much money

-dustin · Nov 6, 2004

god damn, how many people get EP pricing?

Sir_Crackien · Nov 6, 2004

go with hadley. their hub may "only" have a 3 year warrenty but you just will never need to use it. like other people said with the trials option the hadley has 108 point of enagement. they are a little heavier stock. the thing abou the kings i don't like is that you will have the get the steel cass body and the "super duper" axle to make as strong. then the king is a fair amount more expensive.

remember SUPER T uses hadleys and expoldes the wheel but the hub is still fine

zedro · Nov 6, 2004

gmac said:
Anyone know which is quieter ? Maybe its the Hadley's w/ less engagement ?

even the 108 engagement point hadley will be quieter than the CK 72 pt, since the CK design has all 72 teeth engage at the same time (its designed like a cars clutch plate but with teeth, whereas the Hadley uses a fairly standard pawl design, which is similar in concept to a cars drum brake).

Dump a bunch of oil in a Hadley, and you'll wonder if the thing clicks at all.

-dustin · Nov 6, 2004

would a 72pt pawl design be weaker, as strong as, or stronger than Ring Drive?

zedro · Nov 7, 2004

the Inbred said:
would a 72pt pawl design be weaker, as strong as, or stronger than Ring Drive?

depens on the amount and design of the pawls....(sorry, no absolutes allowed)

but its pretty hard to beat the ringdrive concept.

binary visions · Nov 7, 2004

zedro said:
depens on the amount and design of the pawls....(sorry, no absolutes allowed)

but its pretty hard to beat the ringdrive concept.

Right, but generally speaking, the standard pawl design doesn't have as strong an engagement as the ring drive design. It has nothing to do with the number of engagement points, which is what I think he was asking. It just has to do with the fact that on a pawl design, only a few teeth engage, and on the ring drive design, they all engage at once.

zedro · Nov 7, 2004

binary visions said:
Right, but generally speaking, the standard pawl design doesn't have as strong an engagement as the ring drive design. It has nothing to do with the number of engagement points, which is what I think he was asking. It just has to do with the fact that on a pawl design, only a few teeth engage, and on the ring drive design, they all engage at once.

isnt that what i said?

the exeption is pawls bigger than a gerbil....

pretty academic tho is both are strong enough regardless tho

binary visions · Nov 7, 2004

zedro said:
isnt that what i said?

Hm. No.

Might have been what you were thinking but re-reading your post, I didn't get that out of it. Was just making the point that the number of engagement points isn't what makes a hub strong or not (since Inbred was asking if a Hadley with the same number of engagement points as a CK would be the same strength).

the exeption is pawls bigger than a gerbil....

An African or a European gerbil?

zedro · Nov 7, 2004

binary visions said:
Hm. No.

Might have been what you were thinking but re-reading your post, I didn't get that out of it. Was just making the point that the number of engagement points isn't what makes a hub strong or not (since Inbred was asking if a Hadley with the same number of engagement points as a CK would be the same strength).

An African or a European gerbil?

zedro said:
depens on the amount and design of the pawls....(sorry, no absolutes allowed)

but its pretty hard to beat the ringdrive concept.

never said number of engament pts, but rather the number of pawls, their design, etc. Not saying there is a pawl design that rivals the RingDrive, just saying there theoretically could be depending on both specific designs, but the RingDrive concept is tops.

and that would be african, only cus they're cuter...

binary visions · Nov 7, 2004

zedro said:
never said number of engament pts, but rather the number of pawls, their design, etc. Not saying there is a pawl design that rivals the RingDrive, just saying there theoretically could be depending on both specific designs, but the RingDrive concept is tops.

Ah, I see where the confusion is. I know what you were saying (that in theory a pawl system could be designed to be as strong as the RingDrive), I was just clarifying that a noraml pawl system ISN'T as strong, to ensure that Inbred's question got answered.

But yeah, as you said, pretty academic considering there aren't exactly a ton of hubs kicking around with thoroughly destroyed pawl systems.

Still would like to see one of these Stealth hubs...

zedro · Nov 7, 2004

binary visions said:
Still would like to see one of these Stealth hubs...

theres these silent instant engagement hubs from RB Design.....so tempted to experiment....

Weaver · Nov 7, 2004

binary visions said:
Still would like to see one of these Stealth hubs...

the bmx ones are a thing of beauty... hence me wanting them so bad for my mtbike...

ive decided to order the hadley trials option... and run that until the stealth comes available....

that rb design looks interesting...

JRB · Nov 8, 2004

Ha - Weaver learned a new word in the thread.

binary visions · Nov 8, 2004

loco-gringo said:
Ha - Weaver learned a new word in the thread.

Ah hah!

It's comforting to know that I expanded someone's vocabulary

-dustin · Nov 8, 2004

hahaha

narlus · Nov 8, 2004

the one shining instance of vaporware is the chris king bottom bracket...when was that first rumored, '96 or so?

narlus · Nov 8, 2004

i didn't know that bikerfox did product testing for RB:

JRB · Nov 8, 2004

narlus said:
the one shining instance of vaporware is the chris king bottom bracket...when was that first rumored, '96 or so?

I wonder if they will jump on and ride the X-type wave. They dug in for the zero stack headsets, even if most frames can't use them due to the deep cups.

Weaver · Nov 8, 2004

i have seen pics of the chris king bb....

and thank you binary... for enlightening me... ive used it everyday since you taught me well obie one

-dustin · Nov 8, 2004

we've all seen pics of the CK BB. just haven't seen any hint that King might consider thinking about pondering maybe making them.

zedro · Nov 8, 2004

the Inbred said:
we've all seen pics of the CK BB. just haven't seen any hint that King might consider thinking about pondering maybe making them.

they said they wont make a standard ISIS design because the design constraints inherintly make it so they cant make a product to match their own standards. This was also nicely mentioned on FSA's site in an article discussing the new outboard systems vs. old stuff and such.

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