Yes I know hayes sucks...that's why I buy hopes...its just that these came with the bike I bought...and I can't get the pads to center correctly on the rotor. as it stands right now the outer pad rubs just slightly on the rotor...normally not a problem but it does take away from the braking ability...when you hit the brakes that pad pushes the rotor into the other one. I've done the "hold the brake, loosen bolt, retighten bolt" technique as described in the Hayes tech book. Normally I would try to shim it out like every other brake designer out there but as it stands its the outer pad so using shims would push that pad even farther in. Any points?