Why do you assume you're the only one contemplating it? Perhaps the rest of us have contemplated it, and decided, like we've all said, that having a nutjob pastor isn't grounds for determining a new or revised level of respect for someone. IMO, all pastors are nutjobs on some level. And almost all politicians claim to be of religious faith. Therefor I assume that all politicians have nutjobs for spiritual advisors. Obama is no different. Case closed.
if you ask me, obama has exaggerated his devotion to religion because most dumbasses in this country think religious=moral. if i, for whatever reason, got into politics and eventually decided to make a bid for the presidency, i wouldn't have a chance of getting it. while i have no problem with people choosing to practice religion, i refrain from doing so because i think it's the cause of most problems in this world. too many people in this country have been so ****ed up by religion that they think those with different religions or none whatsoever aren't good people.
Not all nutjobs have the same message. To ignore that message is to ignore a small part of a candidate's qualifications.
Big difference between McCain's advisor saying, "Kill all Muslims" -vs- "Gays shouldn't be allowed the right of marriage". Big difference.
parsley's warcry isn't against muslim people, but the teachings of islam.
big difference
comparing a pastor to a political advisor? with the exception of huckabee, that seems like apples and oranges to me.
Well, he said "God Damn America" big effing deal. I think we can already assume that Obama, in wanting to be president of it, doesnt actually hate it, and if he does, wants to make it better, and/or different. I didnt see anything particularly frightening there about killing Muslims like Mccains guy.
He was getting punk'ed by Hillary while he was focused on how much better his is than McCain. That hurt him in Texas and Ohio, so now he has changed focus on Hillary to show he will stand for what he believes in.
I'm glad to see him not take crap, but she started the crap that could cause the Dems everything anyway.
Besides, who doesn't know a pastor that has said stupid sh!t in the past? A priest that taught at the church I grew up going to is now serving life for molestation (not me). Am I now a bad person because I went to that church?
I'm glad to see him not take crap, but she started the crap that could cause the Dems everything anyway.
Besides, who doesn't know a pastor that has said stupid sh!t in the past? A priest that taught at the church I grew up going to is now serving life for molestation (not me). Am I now a bad person because I went to that church?
ffs, if you're not going to read the bible (or regularly attend church), at least read the mojones site, which accurately quoted parsely:
not quite the same as "pushing the jews into the sea", which is a popular sentiment by middle eastern arabs taken literally.
It would definitely make them more interesting.
but what about the assholes he's currently associated with?
reason enough for me to vote independent:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196732&highlight=Zbigniew+Brzezinski
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196732&highlight=Zbigniew+Brzezinski
here's the thing, if you already think obama is teh jeebus, nothing is going to change your mind. if you think obama is teh great satin, then this reinforces it... otherwise meh..
as an aside, i think this is great since it causes nothing but desnetion in the democratic party which is good for my side.
last fall, i thought the gop was losing this election no matter what, now it seems that McCain cant help but win..
thank you hillaryobama!
as an aside, i think this is great since it causes nothing but desnetion in the democratic party which is good for my side.
last fall, i thought the gop was losing this election no matter what, now it seems that McCain cant help but win..
thank you hillaryobama!
think this is going to be a hard story for obama to shake...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300135,00.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300135,00.html
I'm an independent that's on the fence, though leaning towards the dems mostly due to the christian right. The DNC continues to disappoint me and how they deal with the infighting will decide where my vote falls as of right now.
McCain could get my vote unless he: coddles the christian right or selects Mitt as a running mate. If he can stay moderate and exhibit even a minor desire to return to fiscal responsibility AND the DNC pisses me off it will be a tough choice. I've had my fill of the clintons and obama has at least exhibited an ability to motivate americans to care - a significant achievement imo.
Iraq is a non-issue for me. I don't like it but, promises of withdrawal or not, I don't see us going anywhere soon.
Ooh, Fox News. Fair and balanced!
You should vote for your favorite this election, even if it's Ralph Nader or something.
It's not like one of these three idiots is GWB, so you don't have to vote against this time around.
I'm very much voting against invading Iran.
I'm not interested in 'sending a message', I want to get the person I think will be best 'right now' into office.
smart!
I agree 100%, but I don't think McCain will be able to invade Iran in his first term between the lack of resources and lack of citizen support.
So, as an independent, you will never ever vote independent?
The label itself is meaningless to me, it's all about content for me. I'm a political free agent.
Right, but I'm just curious... you never have nor ever will vote 3rd party?
I've voted third party before in local/state elections.
then howsa bout these, which even have video to boot:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/13/jeremiah-wright-obamas-_n_91312.html
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/14/7476/75513/562/476405
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x105156
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama/3
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/about-those-sermons/?st=cse&sq=jeremiah+wright&scp=2
and of course, the rest of the MSM (CNN, AP, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, Chicago Tribune, Washpost, yadda, yadda) has them as well.
I just don't feel his pastor is crazy. He speaks his mind, but he's not nearly as bad (at least to me) as some or most TV evangelicals.
file under "never underestimate the stupidity of the american people"
there's an email campaign breathing new life into all the barack rumors which can easily be rebuffed at snopes. the unfortunate part is that so many are older/retired folks who sit in front of their email all day swapping these stupid chain emails. how do i know? i'm related to some of them.
there's an email campaign breathing new life into all the barack rumors which can easily be rebuffed at snopes. the unfortunate part is that so many are older/retired folks who sit in front of their email all day swapping these stupid chain emails. how do i know? i'm related to some of them.
Me too.
I live in a town with a population that is about 99.5% white. There are 3 or 4 polling stations within walking distance of my house. This country is f*cked.
unless a middle eastern country, not just terrorists from the middle east, attacks us. i have a feeling we won't invade any countries there again.
The guys (Pastor) probably just like that crazy uncle you have that you drink beers with and fish along the banks of the river with. He can go on all night about how the world sucks, how he's a racist and how he hates cats. You can listen to his bull**** all night and chuckle even when you know your not a racist or hate cats because there is some good about'um too, and hope some day you can spark a chance for change in his evil thoughts. So you finish the case of beer and you drive home the next day. No big deal. See you next Sunday.
I sit next to one at work. We used to kind of be friends but every political conversation we have usually ends up with me calling him a ****ing moron. I don't have much of a problem with people having different opinions but he constantly gets super worked up over things he reads in easily dismissed chain emails. This country is screwed.
million* man march??when has lack of citizen support stopped us in the past?
*using pinkbike units
having racist maternal g-parents (since deceased), i can easily empathize with your p.o.v., but i wasn't influenced by them, and i'm not running for high office.
obama now has to do what he does best: tell us all: "don't worry; be hopeful". it may mean he has to ditch this guy, or just ignore what people say. at this stage of the game, i think most people's minds are made up. for the one or two voters he may lose over this issue, his devotees will dig in harder & campaign to get them replaced, plus a few more.
i think hillary should make all the political hay out of this that she can!
Go grL!!11