He didn't want to hit the kids, so it wasn't malicious, just incredibly stupid. He wanted to get home without paying a taxi.What? Getting drunk and driving a vehicle counts as malicious.
The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent for violent crime, sorryWhile I agree that he did not set out to destroy this family, he still did through his actions. And now you want to excuse these actions? Screw him. Until we get to a point where idiots like this are held liable and responsible for their actions, this kind of crap will continue. String him up
Hit and run x 2 is malicious IMO.
wow...you are really full of crap! let me guess, this guy had a rough childhood which predisposed him to alcoholism and there weren't enough community services to inform him that driving drunk can be deadly so we should blame ourselves for this victim of society....right?Bad case of judgment led to a lot of pain for others, it is a shame. However, it wasn't intentionally malicious at least.
Dude, I know what you're getting at, but to survive the PAWN you'll need to point out that you don't think the offender should be forgiven for his crimes, he needs to be punished for the correct ones. It would probably also be helpful to point out that the correct ones are still quite serious, just not murder in the first. It's not like folks in here aren't thoughtful, but you're just asking for trouble and feeding the hotheads otherwise...He didn't want to hit the kids, so it wasn't malicious, just incredibly stupid. He wanted to get home without paying a taxi.
hey now! i resemble that remark!asking for trouble and feeding the hotheads otherwise...
well-played.Main Entry: mal·ice
wanton disregard for the rights of others or for the value of human life.
oops, I thought I wrote out that he deserved punishment but not the death penalty in an earlier post.Main Entry: mal·ice
Pronunciation: 'ma-l&s
Function: noun
1 a : the intention or desire to cause harm (as death, bodily injury, or property damage) to another through an unlawful or wrongful act without justification or excuse b : wanton disregard for the rights of others or for the value of human life.
If he cared so much about the family, why didn't he stop and help them? If he is of such thick moral fiber to preclude malicious intent, why didn't he turn himself in after committing the crime?oops, I thought I wrote out that he deserved punishment but not the death penalty in an earlier post.
Read the first definition, he did not intend or desire to cause harm to someone else. If he doesn't care about the family that got hurt by the runaway vehicle then that is malicious.
you retort as if the driver had no idea what could happen if he drove drunk. he knew what could happen and still took that risk. he made a WILLFUL decision to drive a 3 ton vehicle without the ability to control it. that is the same as me leaving my loaded pistol on a kindergarten playground and some kid finding it and blowing their head off. no, i had no "intention" to kill someone but my "wanton" disregard for the safety of others makes me responsible for the death and guilty of negligent malice.oops, I thought I wrote out that he deserved punishment but not the death penalty in an earlier post.
Read the first definition, he did not intend or desire to cause harm to someone else. If he doesn't care about the family that got hurt by the runaway vehicle then that is malicious.
Samirol said:In addition, he didn't actually hit the kids on purpose, the SUV hit them after he jumped out.
You need to re-read the article. He was involved in an accident. Fled the scene. Was involved in another accident(killing a 2 yo). Fled the 2nd scene, and luckily(?) got stuck on a curb before he could do any more damage.If he doesn't care about the family that got hurt by the runaway vehicle then that is malicious.
Astorga, who authorities said also fled the fatal crash, was arrested when his SUV hit a curb and stalled.
So you believe drunk driving is a malicious act?manimal said:you retort as if the driver had no idea what could happen if he drove drunk. he knew what could happen and still took that risk. he made a WILLFUL decision to drive a 3 ton vehicle without the ability to control it. that is the same as me leaving my loaded pistol on a kindergarten playground and some kid finding it and blowing their head off. no, i had no "intention" to kill someone but my "wanton" disregard for the safety of others makes me responsible for the death and guilty of negligent malice.
Yes. The minute he put his keys in the ignition, he made a deliberate choice to endanger everyone else he encountered on that drive. Don't try to tell me he didn't understand the risk he presented to innocent people. There are many choices he could have made - pass out on his buddy's couch, call a cab, ask a friend or family member to drive, sleep it off in the back seat, etc. He deliberately made the worst possible choice and that is malicious.So you believe drunk driving is a malicious act?
What about those that drive while sleep-deprived, since the effect is the same as driving drunk, and all those options apply to them.Yes. The minute he put his keys in the ignition, he made a deliberate choice to endanger everyone else he encountered on that drive. Don't try to tell me he didn't understand the risk he presented to innocent people. There are many choices he could have made - pass out on his buddy's couch, call a cab, ask a friend or family member to drive, sleep it off in the back seat, etc. He deliberately made the worst possible choice and that is malicious.
Think about it. This guy drove into a family, and instead of turning off his engine and taking his punishment like a man, drove away.So you believe drunk driving is a malicious act?
Not trying to white-knight drunk driving here, it is incredibly irresponsible and horribly wrong, but I don't believe that it is a malicious act. A person has to have horrible judgment to drunk drive, but bad judgment doesn't mean that they don't care about their victims.
e: yeah, I thought the vehicle hit the family after he jumped out, not that he jumped out after he hit the family
Or he could have STAYED AT THE BAR.Yes. The minute he put his keys in the ignition, he made a deliberate choice to endanger everyone else he encountered on that drive. Don't try to tell me he didn't understand the risk he presented to innocent people. There are many choices he could have made - pass out on his buddy's couch, call a cab, ask a friend or family member to drive, sleep it off in the back seat, etc. He deliberately made the worst possible choice and that is malicious.
There was a case last year of a text messaging driver who killed a boy:What about those that drive while sleep-deprived, since the effect is the same as driving drunk, and all those options apply to them.
And like ^ said, people that talk on their cell phone and read the paper, are they all malicious?
Malicious or not, this person was so irresponsible, it is hard is not to think bad things about him.Craig P. Bigos had a history of bad driving long before he headed down a darkened street to his girlfriend's house in Taunton late last year.
He was driving on an expired license, had two previous accidents, and at least six tickets.
In late December, Bigos allegedly hit and killed a 13-year-old boy while texting a message. He has been charged with motor vehicle homicide and leaving the scene of an accident in a case that has shocked the Bay State.
No, he is a complete asshole and deserves to sit in jail, I misread the article and thought he spun out of control and ran into the family then got arrested.Think about it. This guy drove into a family, and instead of turning off his engine and taking his punishment like a man, drove away.
In the real world, intentions rarely matter. In this case, this person was so irresponsible, he got so drunk on a Sunday afternoon that he killed a 2 year old.
Is this guy a saint? It would be hard to believe it.
I'm not sure what's worse, that you actually believe what you're saying or that you continue to argue against reason.What about those that drive while sleep-deprived, since the effect is the same as driving drunk, and all those options apply to them.
And like ^ said, people that talk on their cell phone and read the paper, are they all malicious?
I don't, this thread would have been boring without someone saying drunk driving is fineI'm not sure what's worse, that you actually believe what you're saying
it wouldn't be trolling if you thought it was a reasonable opinionGood show then.
In that case, I'm not sure if I love you because you make this place interesting or hate you because you come off as such a loon.