This guy is fcked for sizing. 58cm gives you the right standover, but you are way stretched out.... and sell bikes by standover, please ask the admins here to delete your account and quit your job cuz you fockin' suck!
I just read on another forum some guy tell a 5'10" with 87cm inseam that he should ride a 58 or 60cm bike
I'd think being 1" from the box would be frustrating.But, the boxes the bikes come in say you need at least 1" of standover room! What's wrong with that?
I agree 100%. On both counts.I'd think being 1" from the box would be frustrating.
I just think that if you claim to be a professional and you offer advice to someone on the internet that there should be some sort of responsibility for bad/wrong advice
How do you know? What is the the frame's TT length? What bars are on there? Stem length?58cm gives you the right standover, but you are way stretched out.
Have you ever worked in retail?? I love telling guys they should ride a smaller frame, especially when it's true b/c most around Philly take it as an attack on their manhood.... and sell bikes by standover, please ask the admins here to delete your account and quit your job cuz you fockin' suck!
I just read on another forum some guy tell a 5'10" with 87cm inseam that he should ride a 58 or 60cm bike
amen andHow do you know? What is the the frame's TT length? What bars are on there? Stem length?
ST length is only the first measurement in a series of measurements. You have to measure the rider and know the bike.
Using only standover works if you're stealing the damn thing and you need to move fast.
I haven't, but I've bought bikes, I've purchased measuring and fitting service, I've watched people do it for other clients, some were friends of mine.Have you ever worked in retail??
I appreciate what you're saying, but cycling-Gods are not always right. I used to follow Sheldon Brown's advice religiously, but I've come to discover that he's just a genius and not always right about everything.When I met Ernesto Colnago, he sized me up for a 54 sloping and 175mm cranks, both of which I pretty much agreed with, but then he threw me for a loop, and said I should be running a 140mm (!) stem! I can't imagine being that stretched out, I'm just not that long in the torso/arms.
But he's Ernesto Colnago, and I'm just some shmoe, so what do I know? He's sized hundreds of pros probably, people like Eddy M.
I went with his suggestions, but ended up with a 120mm stem.
Had I been a racer looking for the best position, sure, but honestly, I still have a lot of my MTB in me, I don't like being as bent over, etc, so I made some mods based on maximizing my comfort. My coworker uses the super-long stem, with 0 (none!) spacers under it, super-low. But that's his style and preference.I appreciate what you're saying, but cycling-Gods are not always right. I used to follow Sheldon Brown's advice religiously, but I've come to discover that he's just a genius and not always right about everything.
Do you like the 120 stem? Is it working better for you?
someone like that has been doing so many fits over the course of what almost is his entire life, he's bound to do crazy **** like that. i love that he takes flexibility into account.Had I been a racer looking for the best position, sure, but honestly, I still have a lot of my MTB in me, I don't like being as bent over, etc, so I made some mods based on maximizing my comfort. My coworker uses the super-long stem, with 0 (none!) spacers under it, super-low. But that's his style and preference.
With that, yes, the bike is amazing, I am absolutely in love with it.
The best part about it, is that he can just look at you, and size you up in his head, and his measurements are about 90%+ on the mark, see the C50 review on Cyclingnews.com.
Well, only my 15 years of experience selling road bikes tells me that a man who is 5'10" typically has a 30 inch inseam and rides a bike 55cm top tube, no matter what the standover height is.How do you know? What is the the frame's TT length? What bars are on there? Stem length?
ST length is only the first measurement in a series of measurements. You have to measure the rider and know the bike.
Using only standover works if you're stealing the damn thing and you need to move fast.
You had me at BTW.Well, only my 15 years of experience selling road bikes tells me that a man who is 5'10" typically has a 30 inch inseam and rides a bike 55cm top tube, no matter what the standover height is.
Most manufacturers build their geometry around this average. I just looked at Cannondale, Specialized, and Bianchi (which are a mix of compact and standard frame designs), and guess what, the 54cm/55cm frames averaged 55cm top tube lengths.
Considering this man has a 34 inch inseam, the typical length for a man who is 6'3" (who would ride a 58.5cm top tube), his torso length is going to be shorter than the man of the same height but with a 30 inch inseam.
Now possible the man is extremely flexible and can comfortably reach the bars if there was 5 inch drop from the saddle. Or possibly a manufacturer spec'ed their XL bikes with a 6cm stem.
BTW, this is Sanjuro.
It plays a large role in how stretched out the cockpit can be, so does core strength. I've been reading some of the fitting/adjustment stuff on cyclingnews.com....it's interesting to hear their advicei love that he takes flexibility into account.
I... don't know what you said.I hate people that don't work in a shop that know more than me. I just returned a $3500 bike because some douche bag, that has never ridden with a chick that is 5'5" and some change, told her that there is no way she would ride a 52cm bike. He told her to buy a 49 cm. He convinced her, even though we measured her and determined that a 53cm TT would be ideal.
I think I hate everyone in regards to fits. I am far from educated, but can do fits. I really hate the "by the book" fitters that make everything rocket science, as that doesn't work on everyone. It's sh*t like that preventing people from thinking outside of the norm to help people like you, Steve.
We use Fit Kit, and I mention to many customers than other shops are just guessing.I hate people that don't work in a shop that know more than me. I just returned a $3500 bike because some douche bag, that has never ridden with a chick that is 5'5" and some change, told her that there is no way she would ride a 52cm bike. He told her to buy a 49 cm. He convinced her, even though we measured her and determined that a 53cm TT would be ideal.
I think I hate everyone in regards to fits. I am far from educated, but can do fits. I really hate the "by the book" fitters that make everything rocket science, as that doesn't work on everyone. It's sh*t like that preventing people from thinking outside of the norm to help people like you, Steve.
Or "hold this plum bob in the crook of your left knee with the pedal at 9:06 and your left hand pointed out to the horizon while the right hand is grasping the right drop and your right foot is resting on the other pedal with the front valve at 2:00 and your right eye closed and etc etc etc..... "I really like the "can you see the hub?" WTF?
matt bracken is one of the best guys in the industry hands down...Stand over, is crap. Need to look at TT length before you look at tt height for sure. I mean try checking someone for sizing on an Sworks, Or a Tarmac by having them stand over it, not gonna work. Like LO said though, Alot of it is Comfort, every person is going to fit differently, seeing how noone is built the same. Only way to get a perfect fit, Is a custom frame from someone like IF. We have built up a few of them, Man they look strange sometimes, But Hey they fit perfect.
To finish my part, Start with science, End with Art. Then youll have a well fit bike
This is true in many areas of life, both professional and personal....Start with science, End with Art. ...
Not sure who that is, All i know for sure is that Standover is a crap way to size a bikematt bracken is one of the best guys in the industry hands down...
He's his sponsor.Not sure who that is, All i know for sure is that Standover is a crap way to size a bike