agreed. if they wanted to change things up they shoulda just made the rl cheaper and lighterepic fail.
dual chain jackshift to idler; fail
moto style linkage to anything else; fail
they basically removed everything that made that bike awesome.
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keep your eyes on superco. i've heard rumors about them, something about bikes, and steel...agreed. if they wanted to change things up they shoulda just made the rl cheaper and lighter
brilliant response there buddy... shouldn't you be eating paste?jonKranked failed
That thing looks sweet! No way thats 38 though.no doubt the rl needs a facelift; it was designed ~6 years ago. while the jackshaft arrangement is a bit heavier & uses a few proprietary bits, it is nicely compact & bomber. the chainring is so small that ground clearance is a non-issue (which is increasingly relevant as bb heights continue to drop), and you don't need a fiddly 3rd party bashguard / taco / chainguide system. it's a really effective, nicely integrated drivetrain. and the bike need not be heavy. doc's "wcrl" @ 38lbs:
actually its about 39 and some change. i've ridden it and seen it on a scale. no bs. Just a hint... its not 4130...That thing looks sweet! No way thats 38 though.
Ah nice. That only proves its not 38 thoughactually its about 39 and some change. i've ridden it and seen it on a scale. no bs. Just a hint... its not 4130...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for design evolution. But to me, this seems a step in the wrong direction (the suspension much moreso than the switch from a jackshaft to the idler pulley). If they wanted to save more weight they could be using a much better tubeset (they're still using 4130 as far as I'm aware) that would save just as much weight as switching to an idler.
Williams is an interesting character. I wouldn't be so quick to diss him. I'm not a rap fan, but I wouldn't discredit him for supporting our favorite sport.to bad some dumb rap artist owns half of brooklyn machine works
That's what I hope Superco has up their sleeve!Looks like an ideal candidate for a gbox...hint hint.
to bad some dumb rap artist owns half of brooklyn machine works
i have serious doubts as to his true intentions. rappers tend to only invest in small businesses as a means of an investment; pump some money in, wait for business to grow substantially, then sell off. to them its just like the stock market. Not only that, rappers have quite a history of being interested only in money, and how to make more of it. I have this uneasy feeling that this is going to be the fate of BMW (which honestly makes me really sad and upset).Williams is an interesting character. I wouldn't be so quick to diss him. I'm not a rap fan, but I wouldn't discredit him for supporting our favorite sport.
I'm not going to take that shortcut and paint all rappers with the same brush. Holy overgeneralizations batman. I hate rap music but I'm not going to prejudge the guy because of it. In fact, I've heard some good things about him. He's also a fan of skateboarding, has his own halfpipe and supports local youth-skateboard programs. He sounds like a decent guy.i have serious doubts as to his true intentions. rappers tend to only invest in small businesses as a means of an investment; pump some money in, wait for business to grow substantially, then sell off. to them its just like the stock market. Not only that, rappers have quite a history of being interested only in money, and how to make more of it. I have this uneasy feeling that this is going to be the fate of BMW (which honestly makes me really sad and upset).
I'm going to assume he meant the new bike, opposed to all the old BMW's which were his work...Ummm....want to make a bet ???
are you trying to imply that i was somehow trying to paint them all in the same light? because i sure as hell wasn't. Do I hate rap music? not at all. I'm a big fan of a lot of it, but there's lot that I despise as well. Turn on BET.... a lot of the music they play on there glamorizes excessive wealth and the flaunting of it, expensive EVERYTHING, treating women as material objects, etc. Does Pharrell fall into this category? I don't know, I haven't heard enough of his music to make that judgement. However based on what I have heard, I have my reasons to be concerned. A clothing line called "Billionaire Boys Club"? Already having purchased a skate company? Sends up a red flag, but maybe that's just me.I'm not going to take that shortcut and paint all rappers with the same brush. Holy overgeneralizations batman. I hate rap music but I'm not going to prejudge the guy because of it. In fact, I've heard some good things about him. He's also a fan of skateboarding, has his own halfpipe and supports local youth-skateboard programs. He sounds like a decent guy.
That said, I realize he's no replacement for Doc.
I just went and re-read this thread:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169571&highlight=Pharrell
Tough to say what will come of BMW.
now there's two good manufacturers rather than one.
I'm going to assume he meant the new bike, opposed to all the old BMW's which were his work...
Actually,I think it's over a year old,possibly two.I think it was made at BMW,however it is(correct)not a BMW.It was made by Doc for Doc and whatever other intentions he had at the time.This statement may be slightly inacurate.This is a "new" bike and not a BMW, doh.
RacerX. yea baby.
^^^ True story. Definitely closer to 2 years old as well (he had the racer x at the 2006 US open). Yes, it was built as his own personal bike - and also as an exploration as the the next generation of the RL (or so I was told). As far as I'm aware, there are still some more improvements he wanted to incorporate into the next iteration of that frame. I was lucky enough to do a side by side comparison of the racer x to the "production" racelink... only differences were weight and a more modern geometry (don't ask me the numbers, I think the only copy of them is in Doc's brain)... but holy cow! It's like night and day... even if Doc were to put the racer x into production AS IS... he wouldn't be able to build them fast enough.Actually,I think it's over a year old,possibly two.I think it was made at BMW,however it is(correct)not a BMW.It was made by Doc for Doc and whatever other intentions he had at the time.This statement may be slightly inacurate.
I'd love to see it producced.