[James]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/giro08/tech.php?id=/tech/2008/features/giro_ditalia208

Hot, I like the finish on the levers...

 

[ire]

 

[ire]

I'm not sure I would class that as production ready, but nice none the less

 

[James]

Well, it's pretty flippin' close. And from what I've seen, the derailleurs, etc, have the Shimano part #s on them, like production parts...

 

[MtnbikeMike]

Hopefully they give the RD a shiny finish to make it look less Tiagra-esque.

Oops, almost forgot. Shimano? Carbon?

 

[ire]

Well, it's pretty flippin' close. And from what I've seen, the derailleurs, etc, have the Shimano part #s on them, like production parts...

my bad, it looks like the levers still have hand work done to them

 

[James]

my bad, it looks like the levers still have hand work done to them

Oh, yeah, the levers, especially the inner shift one, don't look done. Probably still tweaking some shapes.

 

[robdamanii]

And not compatible with previous gruppos, either.

 

[James]

And not compatible with previous gruppos, either.

I remember when the 8spd group (I think) had it's own leverage ratio, so the shifters only worked with the right derailleurs, so it's not without precedent.

 

[robdamanii]

I remember when the 8spd group (I think) had it's own leverage ratio, so the shifters only worked with the right derailleurs, so it's not without precedent.

Yeah, but unless it's going to be a shifting revelation, it's just another way to make money.

 

[James]

Yeah, but unless it's going to be a shifting revelation, it's just another way to make money.

I agree up to a certain point, but if they (and I don't know either way) have tweaked/changed/upgraded/perfected some aspect of the group, I can understand why. They've certainly dropped a ton of weight.

They're not the only ones going the incompatible way either.

 

[ire]

Is it 10-speed? or more? Doesn't Shimano own the patent on a 14 cog cassette?? I thought I read that somewhere.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Yeah, but unless it's going to be a shifting revelation, it's just another way to make money.

Well if you could guarantee yourself a huge profit every few years by exploiting the wallets of elitist roadies, who always seem to need (or at least be willing to waste the money on) the latest/greatest junk coming out so they look cool in front of their friends, why wouldn't you? It's not like there aren't plenty of other options out there of old stuff for people who just want to go riding.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Is it 10-speed? or more? Doesn't Shimano own the patent on a 14 cog cassette?? I thought I read that somewhere.

Oh goody...build a better mousetrap for noob cross-chaining goodness...


On a side note: I just put a new chain on after 3,000ish miles...(should've done it sooner...I know.) and the cassette and front rings aren't too bad. I seem to have unconciously been very aware of not crossing it up too badly...otherwise it would've been a bit more expensive...

 

[ire]

Oh goody...build a better mousetrap for noob cross-chaining goodness...

Good point, on my road bike I can't run middle ring to smallest cog because the ramps try to upshift the chain

 

[James]

Good point, on my road bike I can't run middle ring to smallest cog because the ramps try to upshift the chain

I'm king of the cross-chain.
But with the compact it's not too bad, guess my chainstays are exactly the right length...

 

[ire]

I'm king of the cross-chain.
But with the compact it's not too bad, guess my chainstays are exactly the right length...

Its the compact crank, not the frame......I have no problem on my cross bike, only the roadie (std. on the roadie)

 

[Silver]

What kind of pussy uses the small ring anyways?

 

[ire]

What kind of pussy uses the small ring anyways?

You never use your middle chainring? Impressive, or you live someplace flat

 

[loco-gringo]

You never use your middle chainring? Impressive, or you live someplace flat

I've got hills and I locked mine out.






Not really.

 

[robdamanii]

Well if you could guarantee yourself a huge profit every few years by exploiting the wallets of elitist roadies, who always seem to need (or at least be willing to waste the money on) the latest/greatest junk coming out so they look cool in front of their friends, why wouldn't you? It's not like there aren't plenty of other options out there of old stuff for people who just want to go riding.

Ain't that the truth. Not that I fault them for doing it, but it's so poorly disguised as a way to sell more parts for something that intrinsically lasts a long ass time.

Speaking of proprietary, I read somewhere that Campy is now going to go to 11 speed for the new Record. Joy of joys.

 

[MtnbikeMike]

You never use your middle chainring? Impressive, or you live someplace flat

Silver's never sarcastic, ever.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Ain't that the truth. Not that I fault them for doing it, but it's so poorly disguised as a way to sell more parts for something that intrinsically lasts a long ass time.

Speaking of proprietary, I read somewhere that Campy is now going to go to 11 speed for the new Record. Joy of joys.

On the bright side, I'll never be able to afford Record...so that solves that dilemma...

 

[Evil4bc]

Is it just me or does this DER look like a older pre-production XT junk???

Seperated at birth , hmmm possibly

 

[Toshi]

uh, it's just you. they're both derailleurs, and they both have cages, sure.

 

[Evil4bc]

uh, it's just you. they're both derailleurs, and they both have cages, sure.

I was refering to the similarties of center section and the end knuckles of the new Dura Ace , compaired to the older XT
Estetically the new DA kit doest do it for me , it just looks like recycled MTB designs from the late 90's with some carbon thrown in to help save weight .:huh:

 

[MtnbikeMike]

I was refering to the similarties of center section and the end knuckles of the new Dura Ace , compaired to the older XT
Estetically the new DA kit doest do it for me , it just looks like recycled MTB designs from the late 90's with some carbon thrown in to help save weight .:huh:

Key word there.

 

[James]

Key word there.

Ding ding!

 

[MtnbikeMike]

Ohh snap!!

http://www.velonews.com/article/76923

...and for those who were losing sleep/thought they had uncovered Shimano's conspiracy to sell more derailleurs:

The shift stroke for the rear derailleur has been reduced by 20 percent for quicker shifts, but a 7800 rear derailleur will work with the new group and vice versa.

This stuff is looking sweet. Hollow chainring? That just blows my mind.

 

[ire]

 

[DRB]

Ohh snap!!

http://www.velonews.com/article/76923

...and for those who were losing sleep/thought they had uncovered Shimano's conspiracy to sell more derailleurs:


This stuff is looking sweet. Hollow chainring? That just blows my mind.

Though cyclingnews' article says that they aren't compatible.

While the new cable pull ratios may mean better performance for this newest generation of Dura-Ace componentry, it also unfortunately means that 7900 shifters and derailleurs will not be compatible with earlier versions.

 

[DRB]

A little birdy told me that the cost increase maybe as much as 25% over the 7800. I guess a combo of exchange rates and catching up with SRAM and Campy.

 

[MtnbikeMike]

I birdy also told me that a birdy told him that a 17% increase across the board is coming... Get your Shimano chet now.

 

[James]

A little birdy told me that the cost increase maybe as much as 25% over the 7800. I guess a combo of exchange rates and catching up with SRAM and Campy.

It's not just exchange rates (Shimano and SRAM have it a bit easier than Campy, who sells in Euros), but the cost of raw materials is going up.
Everything is going to cost more soon, from the bottom up.

 

[MtnbikeMike]

Now the question is is there going to be a 7900 series line of wheels?

 

[DRB]

I wonder if this hefty of a price increase is going to mean more Ultegra level bikes along with more house brand brakes and cranks.

 

[DirtyMike]

All I know is a little Birdy told me, the new DA is going to be Rapid rise, to make it compatible with the electronic systems!!!!!

 

[DRB]

All I know is a little Birdy told me, the new DA is going to be Rapid rise, to make it compatible with the electronic systems!!!!!

I think that your little birdie might be on crack.

 

[Kntr]

With the price of gas, everything is going up.

 

[MtnbikeMike]

I think that your little birdie might be on crack.

The RD in the gruppo shows otherwise. It wouldn't be sitting like that if it was low-normal.