These are two bikes I'm drooling over. And Cannondale's still making it in the US. Quite a bit on innovation in the new Trek(well almost).
New Madone
Super Six
New Madone
Super Six
New offerings from Trek and C'dale
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The New Madone doesn't do anything for me, that cannondale on the other hand looks very sharp.
I like what trek did with the BB, and headset(a la Cannindale), and seat tube.
I buddy of mine may be throwing a leg over the Cannondale tomorrow, so it'll be intresting how stiff those small stays are. For reference, he's currently riding a Liquigas System Six.
I buddy of mine may be throwing a leg over the Cannondale tomorrow, so it'll be intresting how stiff those small stays are. For reference, he's currently riding a Liquigas System Six.
Funny, I was going to say almost exactly the opposite. The Madone is the first Trek I've liked in quite some time (judging on looks and specs anyway) whereas the c-dale doesn't really wind me up much.
On a side note...looking at the specs, anyone else notice the Ultegra SL gruppo? Never heard of it.
here is my new "offering"
http://www.fujibikes.com/2007/bikes.asp?id=263&subcat=
full review coming soon....
http://www.fujibikes.com/2007/bikes.asp?id=263&subcat=
full review coming soon....
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tisk tisk...be nice Mike
You don't run out of gears while racing?
outta gears???? we have mountains 
besides i race what they send me , THANKS FUJI
besides i race what they send me , THANKS FUJI
Well, you have to come down those mountains, right? 
We have mountains too, and I usually spin out my 53x11 going up
:biggrin:
We have mountains too, and I usually spin out my 53x11 going up
:biggrin:
i did do a race a couple of weeks agao that was flaaaaaaat and i spunout a bit. its not to bad tho as i a spinner more than a masher i guess.
I am building one of those Madones Saturday, New shop Demo bike. I am curious how much they changed it from last year. I will post once it is together and feel it out some more
It has a new color, slightly lighter across the group and there is an Ultegra specific compact crank option.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2007/features/cannondale_supersix07
more on the supersix
more on the supersix
My buddy got a chance to rise one for the day on Sunday. The bike weighed 14.9lbs w/o pedals, built with Ksyrium ES wheels, Sram Force, C'dale alu SI cranks, etc. I asked him how the bike was and he liked it, but it didn't sound like he was able to tell much of a difference. The frame was plenty stiff for him(he's a guy who usually doesn't like carbon because it's too flexy). He commented how stiff the ES wheels were compared to his Dura Ace clinchers and how flexy the Control Tech scandium stem was. The top tube diameter isn't as big on the Supersix as it is on the Systemsix. Not really an in-depth review, but again I didn't ride it; I just got to look at it.
On another side note...my buddy informed me about '08 Dura-Ace being electronic.
On another side note...my buddy informed me about '08 Dura-Ace being electronic.
I really like the Madone BB idea. Threading in external bearings is stupid. This seems like the best solution as existing cranks can be used, I'd like to see it on moutain bikes.
More on the Madone, definitely some cool stuff happening with that frameset:
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/12366.0.html
http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/12366.0.html
Well, in that link OG posted there's mention of a new Fuel. Perhaps some of these innovations(BB, seat mast) will be used in it.
campy is doin the eletronic shifting to eh? or did i dream that
edit: either way im stickin with my sram force
edit: either way im stickin with my sram force
I heard about campy too, but I'm not sure about '08. I'm not sure about electronic shifting, I mean, the stuff now works great. Plus I don't want to forget to change or recharge my batteries and realize it mid-race.
Fwiw, I love to see what Trek is doing with the frame. Unfortunately I can already tell you that the frame is too rich for my blood, but that doesn't mean I can't edrool over it.
My only worry about the Trek headtube and bb is that manufacturing tolerances will have to spot-on. I'm not saying it can't be done, certainly. It's just that facing a tube will no longer be an option if the discrepancy is too big.
My only worry about the Trek headtube and bb is that manufacturing tolerances will have to spot-on. I'm not saying it can't be done, certainly. It's just that facing a tube will no longer be an option if the discrepancy is too big.
I hear ya but the same idea can be easily transfered to a cheaper aluminum frame where the head and BB could be easily reamed to the proper size.
Maybe. Help me out if I'm on the wrong track.
The bearing cartridge sits inside the frame. Directly on the carbon, no foreign material inserts, right? The manufacturing tolerances have to be very good throughout the entire headtube, from where the bearings sit to the faced(?) headtube. There's minimal doubt in my mind that Trek can do this right, it's when the tech flows through to the smaller and lower-end manufacturers that this could become a problem.
Btw, isn't the headtube idea similar to one of the first versions of integrated headsets? Didn't a worry (problem?) over poor manufacturing tolerances lead CK to develop the perdido headset?
I haven't done any research on the electronic shifting but i don't see the advantage of it. Am i missing something obvious? Maybe its just change for the sake of change .
I dunno, manufacturing has come a long way across the board. Also, given the newer designs and availability of higher-quality bearings, it seems that the tolerances for cranks and headsets just don't need to be super tight. I guess I'm just saying that the target of acceptability is perhaps bigger than some people think, and easier to hit. And with bearings this easy to replace, it's not such a big deal anyway.
Zero friction, instant response, precise shifting movement (no slop), and no cables all sound pretty good to me.
It's coming, eventually. I won't be surprised to see electronic brakes at some point too, perhaps combined with a hydro caliper.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2007/features/trek_madone_launch07
Lots of pics of the construction.
Lots of pics of the construction.
My Klein had pressed in BB bearings. It was a pita to replace the bearings because very few shops had the press. Luckily, they were really good bearings, and I only had to do it twice.
If a manufacture pays attention to tolerances they wouldn't need to make a tight press fit.
Friction in cables is not a huge problem in all but the rarest cases (unless you let the cables rust or have really terrible routing). I think the effort expended by using a lever to pull a shift cable is insignificant in comparison to the effort of holding onto handlebars and supporting part of one's weight.* Instead of cables you have to have a generator and/or batteries. Electronic shifting will continue to be a novelty for the foreseeable future.
*except perhaps for people with really small hands, like small women, who often have some trouble shifting with levers designed for people with much larger hands, though this is mostly a problem of mechanical advantage, or lack thereof, because of the lever design.
And the Treks should supposedly be even easier.
Edit: I can see it now...Shop employee: "that'll be $25 for a bottom bracket replacement"
I agree with most of what you are saying, but similar things were said about some of the advances we now love and take for granted, starting with the quick releases on through index shifting, clipless pedals, disc brakes, etc. Plus, electronics will make more sense as drivetrains evolve. I don't know what "foreseeable" means but I take the long view with this sort of thing, and all I'm saying is it's coming, eventually.
Eh, I'm an old codger already and yet still too young to remember the clipless pedal and index shifting revolutions. Though I do vaguely remember Mektronic. I still run Shimano 9 speed on the road (and prefer it over 10 speed) and v-brakes on my XC bike.
You're probably right in that eventually there will be good electronic shifting, but I'll be surprised if it really catches on in the next 20 years.
You're probably right in that eventually there will be good electronic shifting, but I'll be surprised if it really catches on in the next 20 years.
you talkin about a R3 Cervelo i take it ?