It seems like you have something insightful to say, I can't really understand you though. Could you explain that to me in lemans terms?
Lemans terms - Vivid Air needz Moar Shimz!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the clarification, I was totally lost.
He was asking for so many details it would take 24 hours to explain, duh.
Well they're claiming the shock has a higher dynamic ride height (ie it sits up in its travel well, doesn't blow through too easily) and they then say that's because of the "speed sensitive nature" of air springs, ie the damping effect of air springs... which would be totally insignificant compared to the damping forces coming from the damper and the spring forces generated by the air spring. Mountain bike shocks don't move anywhere NEAR fast enough to be generating any significant damping force out of the spring alone, but the spring rate of any air spring will be significantly different to the "equivalent" coil spring. I think it's far more likely that the differences between air and coil spring they're feeling are due to the differences in spring rate rather than effective damping rates CAUSED by the air spring. Not that it really matters anyway. Hopefully the thing works as claimed!
Oh I get ya. Thanks
was verrry interested...until that.
Air costs more than a titanium, its really rare stuff
Word.
At that pricepoint its likely the best heat treated air money can buy
Nah, it didn't apply when Fox came out with the DHX Air plus it saved over 600g, Air version was less than $100 extra...
true, but that's because the DHX air feels like a turd. What if the Vivid Air feels as good or better than some of the best coil shocks out there?
Its air...many have tried, why will this one succeed? Its also important to keep in mind the Fox platform is about 5 years old and it has gotten better in recent years.
simple:
The sport isn't expanding like it was when the DHX Air was in development so I don't see how there could be greater demand than DHX Air had on release before it was deemed a poor solution and Fox is known for their R&D capabilities. Beside that, coil or air shocks are not new/cutting edge technology. The fundamental concepts and materials used in these shocks have been around for decades...
You know every gram saved cost $$,but if it improves the preformence & handling of the bike.Then such expensive upgrade will be worth the money,but look at this way that $620 is still cheaper than a BOS or a Cane Creek shock.
Manufacturing costs on an air shock would undoubtedly be higher than a coil shock - there's simply more parts in there, and more sliding parts and seals which require tight tolerances to make sure they actually work. Same with the Boxxer WC.
There are plenty of cheaper alternatives, if you think the price of this is ridiculous (and I do, mainly because I'm not a huge fan of the Vivid damper moreso than anything) then just buy something else. As much as the monkey would have you believe otherwise, it is actually both physically possible AND morally acceptable to purchase something that isn't the latest/greatest/most expensive. Realistically you don't have more 10x more fun or go 10x faster if you drop $7000 on a bike instead of $700, the performance gain is never truly justified by the price. If you want something affordable, go get a Van R or something, it'll still ride alright, just won't have the bells and whistles.The ridiculous price trends in the cycling industry should not be embraced by consumers - the end user isn't seeing justified gains
Yeah, I completely forgot how expensive o-rings are these days.
I never implied that but the inflation on mountain bikes is beyond justified. As the sport peaked in popularity prices should have come down such as in motorsports but they are continuing to go up by leaps and bounds. Quality and reliability has gone up with some parts but not all and it isn't by leaps and bounds. Raw material cost went up in recent years but most things are made overseas now so that only explains so much. Consumers shouldn't support such a ridiculous trend against their own interests.
I always thought consumers should do what they they as individuals want according to their own self-defined interests . . .
It's not the o-rings that cost money, it's the fact that all the sealing surfaces need to be tightly toleranced and in the case of the sliding surface, honed or ground to a smooth finish in order that the seal is maintained without excessive friction. Yeah it's all existing technology, but if you've done any quality control stuff you'll be well aware that maintaining tolerances isn't cheap.
