Man I went out to ride for a bit and now the 2005 Maxxis thread is gone... did Terry call Butch a honky or something?
It sucks. :eviltonguspoke80 said:Dang you Doug!
I came to work ready to review the "State of the SouthEastern Race Scene"
Good move.profro said:It was my thread and I felt it wasn't doing anyone any good, so I deleted it. I'd rather ride.
I think that a spirited discussion is sometimes a good thing in order to get everyone on the same page. I agree that it does get pretty lame but confrontation usually leads to a better understanding of everyones issues. Besides what the hell else is this forum for?Jeremy R said:Good move.
All you guys ever noticed that all these arguments take place in the offseason
when we are not riding much.
Riding cures all.
profro said:I'll tell you what its for...
Last night I threw off those pesky clipless pedals I been riding all winter, threw on some flats, lowered my seat and played in the MUD and water at Haw. I two wheel drifted, roade the top tube, slide around corners, and had a freakin blast playing like I was DH racing in the mud. what did you guys do?
I agree. But guys like me and you can you have a spirited discussion that will benefit things. While some other guys just sling poo until we all covered in it.spoke80 said:I think that a spirited discussion is sometimes a good thing in order to get everyone on the same page. I agree that it does get pretty lame but confrontation usually leads to a better understanding of everyones issues. Besides what the hell else is this forum for?
Unfortunately I don't see it happening.Jeremy R said:I hope everybody can get on the same page and make the Maxxis Series something special.
profro said:Unfortunately I don't see it happening.
I think you have the two following groups:
1. The casual dher that gets all excited about racing places like Wolf, ETSU, and Charlotte. These are also the guys that don't show up to Windrock to race.
2. The guys that want to take the riding to the next level, the guys (and gals) that only get a rush from severaly challenging themselves against tough courses. These are the guys that show up to race Windrock and travel to other races.
2a. Jeremy who is in both groups. neaky:
Who's leading the Maxxis Series? Group 1, Group 2, or Group 2a?
Greyhound said:Dude.....your attitude bites. If you want the gnarcore DH lifestyle, you might wanna relocate overseas, or something. You make my head hurt with all the complaints.
Uhh... there is the exact same phenomina in XC racing, and any racing in general for that matter.profro said:Unfortunately I don't see it happening.
I think you have the two following groups:
1. The casual dher that gets all excited about racing places like Wolf, ETSU, and Charlotte. These are also the guys that don't show up to Windrock to race.
2. The guys that want to take the riding to the next level, the guys (and gals) that only get a rush from severaly challenging themselves against tough courses. These are the guys that show up to race Windrock and travel to other races.
2a. Jeremy who is in both groups. neaky:
Mtb_Rob_FL said:Uhh... there is the exact same phenomina in XC racing, and any racing in general for that matter.
Sorry there is no cure.
This is why I wanna try Super Dcaboverpete said:One thing that I think hurts MTB in general and that includes racing and the casual rider is the specialization of the different disiplines. Cant do XC on a DH bike cant DH on a MTX bike cant MTX on a XC bike.... cant race competively on a trail bike. I dont know how this offers any help on the situation just an observation. I miss the days of being a mountain biker and racing 3 different races (DH, DS and XC) in a single weekend on the same bike.
bizutch said:The quick cure for all the whining is to take a little trip to Plattekill for a weekend race there. 300-400 riders hanging out in the parking lots all weekend long, kicked back and camping out drinking brews, sitting by the campfire and bunnyhopping the fire.
They ride so much on practice day, that come race day it's all they can do to get down the mountain. But they do. They love hanging out and partying. Lazlo doesn't give them DICK! They have port a potties and bring their own food for the most part. The announcer nobody listens to!
The riders all go back up the hill to cheer on total strangers!
The prizes are nothing to speak of!
The timing system works and that's THE ONLY high tech or "professional" thing about their races!
The truth is they all come to ride, race and just plain party. No one gives a crap about how dangerous the course is. Nobody whines about how easy the course is, how slow it is, how fast it is...they just ride and have a good time.
I'm not sure what it is about the riders in the region that incites such "whining" but you all need a healthy dose of racing in the Northeast!
Hey! I just did that Monday. Quit semi-pro to race MTX and DH. funny, huh? hopefully it will be a lot more fun. those dudes had a handfull of forks up their arsesspoke80 said:The phenomina is exactly why I quit XC racing for DH. And I would say it is worse with Dh due to the egos and myopia.
Risk nothing gain nothing........ ink:
Its only a joke because we make it a joke. I've ridden in California, Colorado, Texas , West Virginia, New Mexico, Nevada, etc. and we definately have the terrain to compete with those places. Not even Mammoth's pro/expert course at the National Championships had as much evelvation drop as Trail 1 at Windrock. Look at Pisgah, Sugar, Beech, and Wolf. Each one of those places has the elevation and potential to be just as hardcore DH as any place in New England or the Rockies. Its only our attitudes and EDIT Conservative South mentality that hold us back. After seeing what has been done at Windrock, I refuse to beleive that our scene has to be a joke. With a shuttle road or a lift and over 1000ft of drop we can be a serious as we want to be.mfzbike said:i think we live in a part of the U.S. that we can't really be complaining about where we ride for pete's sack we live in TN how do we even have a DH scene ...I'm just thankful to be able to have Windrock since its the closest to where i go to school, i could care less if i go home in pain every time, atleast i know i'm riding trails that more than prepare for going anywhere else i'd ever wanna ride......i do'nt see why any racers complain about w/r DH=speed, rocks, dirt, trees and with a place like w/r that has so much damn potential and a diverse asortment of trail systems that are in place and more could be and will be built....if your gonna complain about technicality then come and build it yourself as long as its the select few out there...then they're the ones who decide what to build
my 2 cents on Windrock and TN DH
You are exactly right it is a joke!Greyhound said:Honestly, Butch.....that's the impression I got from my first race at Wolf. I had sooo much fun, I didn't care if it was pouring rain, and the course was treacherous......I was having fun. I thought that's what it was about........it never occured to me that there were actually folks out there that were trying to take it seriously and make some kind of statement about themselves by conquering that terrain so well and then proclaiming that territory lame after they've mastered it. I thought that we weren't supposed to take ourselves seriously........I mean, we're racing DH in the southeast???!!! We're like the second biggest joke next to the Sea Otter DH course.......and I mean that in a poke-fun-at-yourself way.
good timing. Just talked to Herndon and he said Ryan Taylor is training like a madman for XC again this year!motomike said:Hey! I just did that Monday. Quit semi-pro to race MTX and DH. funny, huh? hopefully it will be a lot more fun. those dudes had a handfull of forks up their arses
Get off him Ben...Greyhound is cool and I agree with him. Besides...if you don't I'll sit on you. I'm fat now and you won't like it! ink: ink:spoke80 said:You are exactly right it is a joke!
And your post shows how funny/ridiculous you are comparing Windrock and Snowshoe to Sea Otter.
I think it this same "joke" attitude that keeps this region a waste of time.
Why do you even race?
But they aren't the ones the races (any races) cater to. And of the guys that went to a race for their first time, just to hang and have a good time, one of two of them will catch the bug and get into it competitively. Those same guys will be the ones complaining about how technical, or how easy the course is in a year from now, or how someone is sandbagging.bizutch said:Truth is that the casual, good times riders are the ones who keep the "race" scene going. They come to just have fun and chill out. They don't even look at the results. But they like being in a big old group of people riding DH bikes on any given weekend.