Last year at the Fontana Nationals there were some guys selling tee shirts that said this. Does anyone know who this was? 
NORBA hates you! tee-shirts: Who printed these?
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Same guy who was selling "UCI HATES YOU EVEN MORE".
ok, who was that? A group of us are planning something similar at a race soon....
Don't hate me...
I was only kidding and attempting to make a funny.
I do not know who was selling them.
I was only kidding and attempting to make a funny.
I do not know who was selling them.
I remember seeing those at Deer Valley as well... I thought maybe it was Amiel Cavalier or one of the fellas that he was traveling with? I could be way off there...
not quite even tho he was a supporter of the cause...why would one want to know of this person?
you just might be sitting on a gold mine with that one !
some kid in denver had them made. met him at the x games skate park. i think he is a member on here
Give me money or I'll tell...1 letter per post A
nope....
but if u want one... u could prolly send a pm to me or mikey and we could relay the message
nuh uh...but i think there are a few left
i'm pretty sure the phrase isn't copywrited, do you really need to know who put phrase to cotton or can you do it yourself?
While you're at it, can you make a shirt that says "team big bear is a bunch of lying a$$holes that have no place in the event promotion or bike park business"?
While you're at it, can you make a shirt that says "team big bear is a bunch of lying a$$holes that have no place in the event promotion or bike park business"?
sounds like a cool t-shirt.
Keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times....Ooop! Watch yer toes!
i was reading Decline this morning and there was an article about a DH race in Ensenada by Sean Mcclendon that was really good, the last paragraph in particular.
i've said it before, things are not what they used to be by any stretch, but if people would spend half the time they do being negative on a positive note it could be a lot better.
i've said it before, things are not what they used to be by any stretch, but if people would spend half the time they do being negative on a positive note it could be a lot better.
......and with that. these forums would be a shell of what they currently are.
positive is so '85
It's true about being positive. And the good news is, there are enough people out there that are affecting changes in racing for the better in this country, especially where gravity events are concerned. And in my opinion, NORBA doesn't hate the gravity set... I really just think that NORBA doesn't really understand us, but they're starting to.
Come on EC, you have been, without a doubt the MOST positive guy about organizing bodies, racing, etc for the last decade and things have gotten worse, it has to get tiring for you to always look for the light at the end of the NORBA tunnel???
I've said it before, fixing this group (NORBA) is like you trying to race 2007 Nevegal on your 94' Barracuda-no matter what shock, tires, brakes you put on, hell doesnt even matter if Nico rides it and his dad and chick are support crew, its NOT GONNA WORK.
Some would say "screw you man, how are YOU fixing the problem", I am not, I am not involved in the industry anymore. I did make an attempt to make things better in my time, I just grew tired of people not listening to good ideas, not hiring good people, bla bla bla.
How does a t-shirt saying norba sucks make things better? it probably does not, but in my life I have rarely seen great things come from the 'spend time creating, not hatin' club.
fair enough, i know people have opinions, i think thats what makes the world go round, but i don't see the point of going to a race that you think sucks and wearing a shirt that says" Norba hates you" and then racing said race....
i've always been of the mid set to spend time doing good things to make things better, call me old school or "so 85"
it's easy for these people to sit back and talk s*#t about the promoter.
i've always been of the mid set to spend time doing good things to make things better, call me old school or "so 85"
it's easy for these people to sit back and talk s*#t about the promoter.
'hate' is a better motivational tool than kindness, any day. Threaten to take away Norba's paycheck and I guarantee you will see changes. Sucks, but that's the way people are....
im doing my part by not racing norba's and so should everyone else. boycott until they make a change. didn't anyone learn anything from the montgomery bus boycott in 1955. i did and i wasn't even born yet.
People choose to put their energy into other things I guess, I just don't have a problem with people voicing their opinion about something they find to be rather sh1tty. I do not think anyone is talking crap about the promoter, more the organizing body (NORBA and in my case UCI).
Maybe I am wrong, but thats where I want to hear opinions that might enlighten my small brain.
stik and i have been talking bout this off forum and here is a point i want to make then i'm done.
Fair enough if you don't like the current way, but think about this.
if we continue to say gravity sucks, it will continue to get less support and as we get less support less people race, with smaller numbers the chance of someone coming in with an alternative series grows, if the numbers aren't there it makes no sense business wise.
stik made a good point in that maybe the gravity side is just not to be a big time deal, but more of a bbq. and to that i say, awesome lets all grab our bbq's and a sixer and make it fun, quit waiting around for someone else to supply your fun...riding bikes is fun hanging out with your friends is fun, thats what i do when i race...Norba or somewhere else.
Fair enough if you don't like the current way, but think about this.
if we continue to say gravity sucks, it will continue to get less support and as we get less support less people race, with smaller numbers the chance of someone coming in with an alternative series grows, if the numbers aren't there it makes no sense business wise.
stik made a good point in that maybe the gravity side is just not to be a big time deal, but more of a bbq. and to that i say, awesome lets all grab our bbq's and a sixer and make it fun, quit waiting around for someone else to supply your fun...riding bikes is fun hanging out with your friends is fun, thats what i do when i race...Norba or somewhere else.
I will say this, it is and always has been a shame that Eric Carter has not been given the chance to lead a organization in some way, shape or form. If given that chance, I know main stream racing/races would be a more enjoyable experience.
I certainly don't know what will happen to DH racing in the states, but if you look at attendance at races , DH racing usually doubles and sometimes triples the amount of XC participants. To me, that means that DH racers should have the ability to change an organizations attitude to the people who actually pay for their livelihoods. If you can change an organizations attitude, you can start realizing a trickle down effect; more and better races, more racing bodies, more bike parks, etc. Not to say that it will happen overnight, but it will happen. Of course, I haven't race in almost a year, so please disregard whatever I write because I'm talking out my butt.
I was always hoping EC would work in conjunction wiht some socal race organization to help take it to the next level....
that's a very good point, and that's precisely why i cutback on the races i was going to. i found out i was having a lot more fun riding with my buddies on the rad trails near our houses. more fun, less money, simple decision. anyone ever seen those surfing shirts that say "Surfing sucks, don't try it"? I'm not saying we need to deter people from riding bikes, but why is there this whole want for DH to blow up in the media and have tons of money. I'd like riding bikes a lot less if every time i went to a dh race or rode my favorite trails and i had to pick my way down the course through a bunch of yuppies. Keep DH racing a backyard sport with your buddies. i guess it's easier to say all this when your livelihood doesn't come from racing your bike.
Agreed 100%.
In 2013, we're gonna look back at 2003-2008 as the "sweet old days, before the trails were full of posers, and 300 guys tried to race pro, back when you knew all the guys on the seed list, and it was ok to go out drinkin' after a race..."
MTB and BMX both have gone in 5-10 year cycles of popularity to "on the down low". When it's up, everybody reminesces on the true, hard core days of ye old, and when it's down, everybody fantasizes about it being popular again. The true trick is just to stay psyched, do your own thing, and ride as much as you truly want to.
Yeah, but we need a catalyst and a hero. Somebody (or lots of bodies) needs to go to all the Nationals, make their own plates, not pay license or entry fees, line up with their class and race. Yes you would get in trouble. Maybe even arrested. Especially after the second or third time. Rosa Parks isn't famous for boycotting, she's famous for standing up to an oppressive power and speaking the will of the people. Any heroes out there?
Lol - that would be hilarious.Yeah, but we need a catalyst and a hero. Somebody (or lots of bodies) needs to go to all the Nationals, make their own plates, not pay license or entry fees, line up with their class and race. Yes you would get in trouble. Maybe even arrested. Especially after the second or third time. Rosa Parks isn't famous for boycotting, she's famous for standing up to an oppressive power and speaking the will of the people. Any heroes out there?
I'll bust out the ol' sharpie and a piece of cardboard cut from a pizza box...
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So maybe "Norba might possibly sorta tolerate you someday maybe" shirts could get things rolling in the positive direction? I think so. It takes 200 muscles to frown, and only one to give the finger. Or something..
Actually you would need to rename the T-shirts to USAC Mountain Biking
or whatever the new name is, USA cycling doesn't answer to Norba
any more! even they know the name has become negative.
Yeah - people have fun riding bikes in all different ways-
I particarly like racing some of the best guys in the world or country-
and on what should have been the best courses in the country-
in the late ninetys it was pretty close to that- people were neg.
then and still are now-
Just now some of the best riders boycott, because the courses don't live up to that standard.
Why travel, spend money to race "some" of the best riders on a course made in the parking lot. When I could drive within three hours (in Georgia) and ride better terrain and have a funner time than going to a mountain that has 10,000 ft. elevation and courses that suck!
Norba should have our backs like we pay for theirs, Hiring someone to ensure that events are A+ before people get there and find things to complain about! Someone to take responsability when it sucks, then
make sure that particular problem doesn't happen at the next race and
the next race and so on!
or whatever the new name is, USA cycling doesn't answer to Norba
any more! even they know the name has become negative.
Yeah - people have fun riding bikes in all different ways-
I particarly like racing some of the best guys in the world or country-
and on what should have been the best courses in the country-
in the late ninetys it was pretty close to that- people were neg.
then and still are now-
Just now some of the best riders boycott, because the courses don't live up to that standard.
Why travel, spend money to race "some" of the best riders on a course made in the parking lot. When I could drive within three hours (in Georgia) and ride better terrain and have a funner time than going to a mountain that has 10,000 ft. elevation and courses that suck!
Norba should have our backs like we pay for theirs, Hiring someone to ensure that events are A+ before people get there and find things to complain about! Someone to take responsability when it sucks, then
make sure that particular problem doesn't happen at the next race and
the next race and so on!
i bet a lot of people made them but i think the original comes from a Norcal Rider,To remain Namless, I aint sure but i think he started it
Some of the local norcal races I've been going to have been exactly what I've I wanted from racing all along.
Kudos to RideSFO for the CHDH and Kudos to CCCX for putting on (so far) a really great series of races. Aside from the fact that there are no shuttles at CCCX races, I would say they go off without a hitch whatsoever. Real racing, some really fast people, and a whole lot of fun.
Kudos to RideSFO for the CHDH and Kudos to CCCX for putting on (so far) a really great series of races. Aside from the fact that there are no shuttles at CCCX races, I would say they go off without a hitch whatsoever. Real racing, some really fast people, and a whole lot of fun.
There is no getting around NORBA. If the average person wants to race and the closest one is NORBA, they are forced to become a NORBA member. On the highest level, despite very little support on the international level, the elite racers have to kowtow to USA Cycling if they plan on racing abroad.
There are many races and series around America which are not NORBA and many racers try to make those events their primary focus. I would imagine these race promoters also send a strong message to USA Cycling by disassociating themselves with NORBA.
I just made a similar point about the inaccessability about President Bush, which is how war protests, which do little to solve the problem, is seemingly the only way to express your opinion and vent your frustrations. These t-shirts seem to do the same thing about NORBA.
I agree El Chimischlarva, local races are the poppin' scene this year!
"I won't attend a war protest, but if you decide to have peace celebration I will be there." Mother Theresa
The MSC series is a good one too! Hit a couple of those
up last season instead of No R bah nationals -
Just pleased with the effort the promoters put in more than the nationals.
things can only get better if promoters of nationals are held to some standard.
Especially when it comes to MTX, course design has killed the potential
of the sport! and when it comes to nationals they just suck.
Sorry BC Van I respect you and all but, you can't possibly enjoy what has been out there for courses in MTX for the most part. I can hang with friends and get that whole experience at local trails, races etc.
It isn't as fun to hang out with "national" friends when you have to pay for it.
I know you have tried to contribute to making some of them better,
and wanted to get paid well for it.
I tried to build the course in Sugar NC last year and they obviously didn't
care if it sucked or not, and Norba didn't hold them to it not sucking either.
I boycotted the whole series for the first time since 97. I went to MSC
in Colorado and had a much better time on courses that were petty good!
up last season instead of No R bah nationals -
Just pleased with the effort the promoters put in more than the nationals.
things can only get better if promoters of nationals are held to some standard.
Especially when it comes to MTX, course design has killed the potential
of the sport! and when it comes to nationals they just suck.
Sorry BC Van I respect you and all but, you can't possibly enjoy what has been out there for courses in MTX for the most part. I can hang with friends and get that whole experience at local trails, races etc.
It isn't as fun to hang out with "national" friends when you have to pay for it.
I know you have tried to contribute to making some of them better,
and wanted to get paid well for it.
I tried to build the course in Sugar NC last year and they obviously didn't
care if it sucked or not, and Norba didn't hold them to it not sucking either.
I boycotted the whole series for the first time since 97. I went to MSC
in Colorado and had a much better time on courses that were petty good!
they've had my finger moving for quite some time now. or something.