Proper Pics of the GIANT GLORY 09!!!!
that thing is awesomee! i want it now!
anyone want a 2006 gold session 77 ? size small !
haha yeah right, i love my bike.
anyone want a 2006 gold session 77 ? size small !
haha yeah right, i love my bike.
It is a DW rip off? YES! and DW lovers or supporters go buy a new Turner DHR, i would really love to do that too because i hate big companies myself. but-me-no-have-2500+usd for a piece of welded alumininm and a shock-. I can live 6 months here with that money.
But since i'm poor and love to ride, and i live in south america, i will start earning money to get a new glory in a couple of years.
cheers.
And people that are able to afford a licensed DW bike please do it.
But since i'm poor and love to ride, and i live in south america, i will start earning money to get a new glory in a couple of years.
cheers.
And people that are able to afford a licensed DW bike please do it.
Sorry dude, but your not quite right here. DW link has nothing to do with physical linkage shape or placement, the actual patent is for the suspension kinematics.
Please explain what exactly you proved was wrong, and provide the facts you used to reach such a hypothesis.
Feel free to references the patents on the kinematics.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=weagle.INNM.&OS=IN/weagle&RS=IN/weagle
All you did was describe how the suspension looked, how did you prove anyone wrong?
lthumbsdown:You obviously don't know how to read then... Every idiot was saying they ripped it of Iron Horse and they were using the DW link... So by actually proving they were still using the Maestro suspension and the only thing that changed from the previous generation glory was the shock placement, top link is still the same and the bottom one too, I proved everyone that was saying it was copied from Iron Horse and DW and it wasn't a DW lisenced bike and all that ****... WRONG
or maybe people were just tired of talking about the Sunday knock-off
Looks like you're the village idiot... how can it be a knock off of something that is not even close to being the same?or maybe people were just tired of talking about the Sunday knock-off
The new Glory has the same linkage as the old Glory, the shock is just angled different. People should have been making a big deal about this a long time ago, but they were too busy debating clearance of the downtube hole. Its still the same Maestro configuration with a different look.
Alot of people are talking patents in this thread. "Go look it up" is a common line. I'm curious how these people can tell they're the exact same design simply from looking at a picture online? From reading long posts on this forum for the last several years, the design is very numbers-driven. Where did everyone get there numbers to make the accusations that they are?
Alot of people are talking patents in this thread. "Go look it up" is a common line. I'm curious how these people can tell they're the exact same design simply from looking at a picture online? From reading long posts on this forum for the last several years, the design is very numbers-driven. Where did everyone get there numbers to make the accusations that they are?
I doubt its a rip on the DW link because I'm sure Giant wouldn't want to get entangled in a court case when they have a good suspension design (Maestro). Again, looks can be deceiving and all you did was describe how the bike looked. Look at the VPP patent, vastly different looks from Outland to Santa Cruz but it is still the same patent. What it looks like doesn't matter, how it works does
dude what's wrong with you? insulting people is not cool, not even on the intraweb! learn to behave!
anyway, this thread is almost 3 months old, and believe me: it's getting tiring to discuss wheter or not maestro is a rip off or not. nobody cares. stop stiring up sh*t.
He is the one not making sense... and if he could've read my post correctly, he would've understood my point... I'm not trying to stir things up... I just wanted to know what people thought of the right information
For all those claiming that it doesn't infringe because it is a maestro bike keep in mind that the maestro design has been infringing since it was released on the other giant bikes. This bike simply orients the suspension in a similar way causing everyone to now think its the first rip-off.
If you read the dw-link patent you will see little mention of specific linkage layout, appearance of the bike, etc. It has far more to do with the KINEMATICS of the suspension.
Does nobody remember the big FSR vs NRS suspension fiasco not too many years ago? Giant clearly has no issue pushing the limits of patent infraction and like with specialized I hope that giant loses in court again.
If you read the dw-link patent you will see little mention of specific linkage layout, appearance of the bike, etc. It has far more to do with the KINEMATICS of the suspension.
Does nobody remember the big FSR vs NRS suspension fiasco not too many years ago? Giant clearly has no issue pushing the limits of patent infraction and like with specialized I hope that giant loses in court again.
I love how a US patent examiner has to have the minimum of a degree in either physical sciences, life sciences, an engineering discipline, computer science, and has a mastery of US patent laws and relevent federal codes (if i remember correctly their legal determinations are only 3 or 4 steps removed from the Sumpreme Court). Many have worked for several years in their respective industries or in relevant legal fields and hold advanced degrees in engineering, metallurgy, physics, pharmacology, etc. There were a few more qualifications but this is as much as i can remember from an NPR interview with a patent examiner i heard a few months ago.
And the requirements of patent engineers and patent attorneys (the people who are actually involved in the challenge or interpretation of various patents) is even more substantial, with many holding a PhD, MD, or advanced law degree.
yet any kid on ridemonkey with a partial high school education can evaluate, decipher, and summarize patent finding in 2 grammatically challenged sentences or less. brilliantlthumbsdown:
And the requirements of patent engineers and patent attorneys (the people who are actually involved in the challenge or interpretation of various patents) is even more substantial, with many holding a PhD, MD, or advanced law degree.
yet any kid on ridemonkey with a partial high school education can evaluate, decipher, and summarize patent finding in 2 grammatically challenged sentences or less. brilliant
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let me go get my high school physics bookI love how a US patent examiner has to have the minimum of a degree in either physical sciences, life sciences, an engineering discipline, computer science, and has a mastery of US patent laws and relevent federal codes (if i remember correctly their legal determinations are only 3 or 4 steps removed from the Sumpreme Court). Many have worked for several years in their respective industries or in relevant legal fields and hold advanced degrees in engineering, metallurgy, physics, pharmacology, etc. There were a few more qualifications but this is as much as i can remember from an NPR interview with a patent examiner i heard a few months ago.
yet any kid on ridemonkey with a partial high school education can evaluate, decipher, and summarize patent finding in 2 grammatically challenged sentences or less. brilliant
You make a very good point. I admit that I do not completely understand the kinematics of the DW link, but I do understand that the suspension kinematics are what the patent is for, not the physical suspension layout. That was the only point I was trying to make.I love how a US patent examiner has to have the minimum of a degree in either physical sciences, life sciences, an engineering discipline, computer science, and has a mastery of US patent laws and relevent federal codes (if i remember correctly their legal determinations are only 3 or 4 steps removed from the Sumpreme Court). Many have worked for several years in their respective industries or in relevant legal fields and hold advanced degrees in engineering, metallurgy, physics, pharmacology, etc. There were a few more qualifications but this is as much as i can remember from an NPR interview with a patent examiner i heard a few months ago.
And the requirements of patent engineers and patent attorneys (the people who are actually involved in the challenge or interpretation of various patents) is even more substantial, with many holding a PhD, MD, or advanced law degree.
yet any kid on ridemonkey with a partial high school education can evaluate, decipher, and summarize patent finding in 2 grammatically challenged sentences or less. brilliant
I'll bet before the dw link existed, none of you guys even knew kinematics was a real word, let alone what it meant.
...I know I didn't
...I know I didn't
So, like, um, yeah, and where are the pictures of the 09 Glory again?:huh: