um .... of course there is.get over it. there is no "right geometry" for a type of bike
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um .... of course there is.get over it. there is no "right geometry" for a type of bike
maybe you weren't around in the 90's?I meant single contract.
Dude, you know all 15 (maybe 20) people on this site that were racing DH in the 90's. I'm hoping that was a rhetorical question...maybe you weren't around in the 90's?
maybe you weren't around in the 90's?
There are legal rulings out on the net that state Steve Peat's salary in his last year with GT.....it was hefty......i don't want to say on RM what is was but it is part of the public legal record.....I was working a full time job and going to college all through in the early 90's, so if by "around" you mean caring what Pro DH racers were making, then no I wasn't "around".
I said 'likely' so please, if you know for a fact then just say who the biggest contract was or No, Sam's new contract is not the biggest and be done with it.
bwahahahahahah... I guess you don't remember the glory days when companies like mountain dew and chevy were in the mix. There was an XC rider for GT that had marginal results and got 125k a year when he signed. He never did sh!t on the WC, but he was smart with his money and retired. Can't remember his damn name.Sam is likely the highest paid WC racer ever .
Not everyone likes Michael Bolton? Blasphemy! What planet are you from?not everyone likes the Demo, or specialized . . . or Michael Bolton. get over it.
Raul Alcala, he was a super fast roadie in the late 80's and early 90's and GT gave him a fat contract to race mtb at the end of his career. He was so far off the back i'm not sure he even finished out the season.bwahahahahahah... I guess you don't remember the glory days when companies like mountain dew and chevy were in the mix. There was an XC rider for GT that had marginal results and got 125k a year when he signed. He never did sh!t on the WC, but he was smart with his money and retired. Can't remember his damn name.
I prefer the personal touch you can only get with hired goons.Specialized sent some goons.
I did a business report back in the early 90's for my business class on Cannondales payout to its riders.
$2+ million went out to its top 3 riders. Miss G. and Tinker were 2 of those riders. Cant remember the third (maybe Brain Lopes). Thats about $680k+ each.
Another $1.2 million went out to the rest of the 5 riders and the crew for the team.
I am sure Brian Lopes has had one of the largest paid out contacts of all time, but was back in the days when car sponsors were in the sport.
No idea, but if I had 3 guesses they'd be Tomac, Palmer, and Lopesso who would the king of single season DH paychecks be?
You know the same thing I know....I still say he'll go on Trek next year.
Bets?
Yeah didn't Palmer have a million dollar contract for 3 years with specialized?No idea, but if I had 3 guesses they'd be Tomac, Palmer, and Lopes
speaking of tomes (totally random segway) found this rad vintage pic. team 7-11 kit / drop-bar yeti / hairnet / long hair / oakley blades & beer in hand. stupendously classic:No idea, but if I had 3 guesses they'd be Tomac, Palmer, and Lopes
Raw talent with a jockstrap on its head.Oh my god. What the hell is that?
Specialized will jump at the chance to hire Hill as he will help sell Bikes simpleSpecialized jumped on board to be the title sponsor for our world championship coverage. This enabled us to bring an entire team etc. They really helped us out and we are incredibly grateful for their support.
We are currently looking to land a title sponsor for our entire 2009 coverage scheduled, which will probably be expanded to include some other events, as well as give us a bit more say in what happens camera wise (our own live interviews at the finish etc).
Money talks, as they say!
I wonder if that helmet would pass current CPSC standards...speaking of tomes (totally random segway) found this rad vintage pic. team 7-11 kit / drop-bar yeti / hairnet / long hair / oakley blades & beer in hand. stupendously classic:
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I think it is more a trend away from hucking and back to racing. For a long time, I noticed the trend was away from racing and towards freeriding.Specialized will jump at the chance to hire Hill as he will help sell Bikes simple
.. and this type of broadcasting will really help the sport of Downhill which is still in its infancy. I think Specialized has realized that although DH is a fringe sport, being involved in it and using Sam Hill, they can really market all their other Mountain bikes range.
In my opinion by sponsoring a rider like Hill they will easily recoup their sponsoring cash as they have distribution all over the world and have a range of mountain bikes to capitalise on too.
Specialized started in MTB in the first place they really should have a stronger presence in the DH worldcup.
I dont think the freeriding riders they sponsor like berrecloth etc.. does the job. I think its easier to market bikes though DH than Freeride Hucking stuff as I think that part of the sports demographic is much smaller (younger). I think marketing though DH is easier for XC people to relate to than the crankworz stuff.......
I just think if I was MD I would market through DH more, and I would hire Hill to market through, more MTB'rs can identify with DH. I feel Freeride /Crankworx "extreme" stuff is harder for most people who ride MTB cycle, to identify with. (also the freeride "extreme stuff " is a bit locked in demographically and alienates older riders)
No but you have to admit. He's the one single person that's gotten people more excited about racing lately. Not the same scale in that doctors aren't rushing out to buy dh bikes but certainly similar.I don't think of Sam Hill as another Lance Armstrong. I think him as just another rider on the Specialized factory team.
It depends on your perspective. For a mountain biking purist like yourself and me, Hill is the most dominate rider in every discipline of cycling (except for Kintner in 4X, but her competition was not as tough as WC Men's DH). My opinion of Iron Horse, who I thought were a 3rd rate bike company, changed dramatically after DW and Sam Hill joined them (and with their departures, going to back to 3rd rate).No but you have to admit. He's the one single person that's gotten people more excited about racing lately. Not the same scale in that doctors aren't rushing out to buy dh bikes but certainly similar.
But if he really is going to specialized, it can only help their image. Given one they've created but they certainly realize there's some racer dollars they're not getting.
I agree in most parts but the quoted part seems a bit like you suggest that if not for IH Hill would be a medicore rider. From what I remember he was a very promicing rider from the begning. Red Bull win in this crazy australian FR competition? Came very prepared and was consistent over the whole trail while some great riders (like CG) missed or were bad on some parts. He'd still find sth as he is a very determined rider and simply knows how to win. Maybe he wouldn't be as big in therms of fame but still he'd on the top.Hill was able to capitalize on all those circumstances to climb the ladder thankfully. Otherwise, he might be on some piece of crap riding into obscurity on an underfunded, poorly designed bike with no consumer base...and had to get a real job.
Come on Butch.All this about Sam Hill making Iron Horse is booh crap. Three things made Iron Horse.
1. The loyalty of the Northeast crew to a local company,
2. DW & the other engineers attention to detail on Rennie, Atkinson & Hill's bikes over time (Rennie WON the overall World Cup on a beefed up SGS-a first on flats)
3. They were the only team to have a fully loaded DH team with Rennie, Hill, Atkinson & Graves backed by a video game accesory company with DEEP pockets.
Hill was able to capitalize on all those circumstances to climb the ladder thankfully. Otherwise, he might be on some piece of crap riding into obscurity on an underfunded, poorly designed bike with no consumer base...and had to get a real job.
You must be kidding if you're saying bikes like the Victory and Sinister is what made Iron Horse.All this about Sam Hill making Iron Horse is booh crap. Three things made Iron Horse.
1. The loyalty of the Northeast crew to a local company,
2. DW & the other engineers attention to detail on Rennie, Atkinson & Hill's bikes over time (Rennie WON the overall World Cup on a beefed up SGS-a first on flats)
3. They were the only team to have a fully loaded DH team with Rennie, Hill, Atkinson & Graves backed by a video game accesory company with DEEP pockets.
Hill was able to capitalize on all those circumstances to climb the ladder thankfully. Otherwise, he might be on some piece of crap riding into obscurity on an underfunded, poorly designed bike with no consumer base...and had to get a real job.
Been riding in whistler...first time on here in weeks.Stik, where the hell are you?
it was even funnier yeaterday when it was deleted and some moderators said not to bring it up again. I refer to this as the peoples republic of RidemonkeyBeen riding in whistler...first time on here in weeks.
This thread is funny.
I mean, very funny.
Butch, The numbers in the quote below are in the ball park of numbers that I heard first hand out of the mouth of one of said riders. They may be even a little low. The good old days when teams had semi trucks.Stik, where the hell are you? You know which one got paid the fattest payday of them all. I haven't a clue, but I do know that Peat may have signed a big contract, but dude didn't get paid all of it since GT slammed the doors without paying bonuses, etc when they folded.
I did a business report back in the early 90's for my business class on Cannondales payout to its riders.
$2+ million went out to its top 3 riders. Miss G. and Tinker were 2 of those riders. Can’t remember the third (maybe Brain Lopes). That’s about $680k+ each.
The guy may just be an introvert. Why do people take that as a bad thing? He may just love riding and not be bothered with the whole "having to be a showman and outspoken just because he's a sponsored rider" thing. You can see the discomfort in his body language and his face whenever he has to do an interview.Does the guy even talk?
Its not that either, I have met him before, and My impression that I got was, He is young, overwelmed with where he is in life, and trying to keep it together when he isnt on the bike. Nice guy, I think he is just trying to figure the world out still myself.The guy may just be an introvert. Why do people take that as a bad thing? He may just love riding and not be bothered with the whole "having to be a showman and outspoken just because he's a sponsored rider" thing. You can see the discomfort in his body language and his face whenever he has to do an interview.