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Same-Sex Marriages...Is it Still Taboo?
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BiSexual TRIOs are getting f'd over by these gay/lesbian laws.Originally posted by Serial Midget
Or pregnant.
I guess that means if you are that lucky enough to get sex from two people everyday, then you are still living in too much sin to enter wedlock.
Well, that was pretty stupid.
I could say Chicken Sandwiches and Orangutangs are the same thing, becuase the're both made of meat, but that wouldnt really describe them very well would it?
One of my best friends hit a phone pole at 100mph. There is no indication that he had a life-changing accident unless you look at the scars from the reconstructive surgery on his hip.
Plain and simple: people who hit phone poles at 100mph are every bit as capable of surviving as those who never crash. (who really dont have such a great track record if you think about it).
i said they are arbitrary ways of classifying people. and in this contex they are. not letting people get "married" because they are the same sex is as arbirtrary as not letting people get married because they are the same race, or the same height, or have the same eye color.
i knew there was a reason i stopped posting here.
Which animals animals are these?
If all of the animals in a certain species perform these acts, it is not a homosexual act, but rather a basic part of that animal's social being. the fact of the matter for humans is that, only a very low percentage do these things, and its not necessary or even relevant to our social structure when it comes to the vast majority of humans. a homosexual animal is essentially worthless to its species since it does not propogate.
Asexual reproduction is 100% more reliable than homosexual reproduction. I fail to see where that one fits in.
You seem to have come along a very misunderstood represenation of nature and sex.
homosexual-of, realting to, or characterized by a tendancy to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex.
it doesnt matter if every animal in the species is doing it or not. if it is same sex relations, it is homosexual.
Over time and cultures the percentage has varied rather a lot. How do you determine "relevance to social structure"?
J
you already know that answer to this question.
Laura, you cant expect me to believe you're too stupid to understand the difference. If, in the life circle of some animal, it becomes important to engage in some "homosexual" act as a part of survival, show of dominance, or other natural event, it becomes a characteristic of that heterosexual animal's social structure. Not a Sexual Desire. It does not replace the animal's urge to procreate. If it does, the animal is detrimental to his species' sruvival.
This is simply not the case here. Participating in a homosexual act as a human is not a part of our nature. Its not essential to survival or well being. Its a perversion of the mating process. Period.
you go by what applies to the vast majority of the people in that structure..........this simply does not.
No kidding.
Oh yea.....you're right.Originally posted by Sideways
No kidding.
Maybe i should just agree with everything you guys say. Then the political "DEBATE" forum would be real interesting huh?
Learn to take criticism for your ideas or move on.
So who cares? If someone finds that pleasurable, why does it matter to you.
I found a pic of BurlySurly's helmet
laura....sorry for implying that you were stupid earlier in this thread. I was just a little excited in the debate. my apologies.
The same can be said of masturbation... and if that's wrong I don't want the be right.
I disagree, id die if i couldnt rub one out from time to time. Again, this is an act all (except the wierdos) males partake in. Its the norm.Originally posted by Serial Midget
The same can be said of masturbation... and if that's wrong I don't want the be right.
But Vermont recognizes gay marriages?
Something doesn't quite seem right about that.I'm all in favor of allowing gay marriage to be legal.
That's really all I have to say about the subject.
Okay...I'm gonna weigh in and probably get my butt chewed out...but so be it...I think I remember reading a few articles not too far back (coupla years) that said it is a Natural part of evolution that when a population of any given species exceeds it's naturally acceptable amount that portions of the species are born or become homosexual...in other words, it's one of nature's natural ways of controlling population expansion, and in the sense of humans, we have exceeded natural bounds of population levels to such a great extent that why are we surprised nature is starting to play it's own hand? But like I said...it's an I think I saw...not a direct quote with a link to the article that says this
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Originally posted by Serial Midget
The same can be said of masturbation... and if that's wrong I don't want the be right.
Originally posted by BurlySurly
I disagree, id die if i couldnt rub one out from time to time. Again, this is an act all (except the wierdos) males partake in. Its the norm.
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Girls masterbate too...and y'know...this much I do know, many parts of society consider it not okay for a girl to...ehr...uhm...enjoy herself, while it's expected of a male...whassup with that?
As to what I think of same sex marriages in the eyes of the law...well shoot....most heterosexual couples don't have any idea what it's like to have to fight for what you love and have to fight to keep it together...they just head on down to the courthouse and split everything up...if a homosexual couple can do better than that and can provide solace and comfort and have a loving relationship, then by all means they should have the right to be recognized by the law...Heterosexual couples have, in many ways, perverted the sanctity of marriage....I see no reason why our definition of what marriage means shouldn't continue to evolve....
I don't think I said anything that actually made sense up there...sorry - coffee is still being absorbed by bloodstream this am....
And Burly...I actually do agree with you here....but I like the idea that marriage is the backbone of the world in which we live...not the actuality of it...Too many marriages end in hateful disputes, end too quickly, are started without forethought....If we could find away to slow the world down a bit and remember how to be with the person we were in love with once to keep that spark going...well then maybe the sanctity of marriage would continue to hold in our crazy world...I also think that marriage can be sacred irregardless of sexual nature of the individuals involved in it...
I agree with Burly. Homosexuality is a perversion of the mating process.
It comes down to self control, which is something our country is sorely lacking. So a guy is attracted to another guy, what says you have to act on it. Or how about a husband attracted to a woman other than his wife, self control, you don't act on it. What about those pedophiles, they are attracted to children, shouldn't they be able to fulfill their desires? If not, what's the difference? Their sexual desire is just as "real" to them as the homosexual's desire for the same sex.
Once we as a society "open the door" to all this perversion, what's to stop sex with children being legal in 15-20 years?
Interesting point....and the only rebuttal I can think of is the difference between consenting adults vs. with children. Children, both by law and by our most basic instinct as people (on the whole) are not to be held accountable for choices forced upon them by an adult who "should" know better. However, if it is two consenting adults, either committing adultery or sodomy or whatever may be the case, it is still consensual. The idea of adultery, well you choose your battles and if you choose to commit adultery, well the law isn't what's going to be your downfall, it's your partner...and you risk the consequences of their reprisal.
I'm not going to spend much time on the adultery thing, as today society does not really takes a dim view of it anymore. However does that mean if sex is consensual [with whom or whatever], does that make it right?
As for chasing the pedophile rabbit, what is a child defined as, age wise. Can a 15 year old girl be held accountable for her choices? In the case of murder I think teenagers have been. That leads me to the slippery slope of, "well I'm attracted to 15 yo girls shouldn't I be able to indulge my desires?" What if my most basic instinct is to have sex with young girls [or boys for that matter], who says that's wrong following your mode of thinking. It's right for me, does that make it ok?
Do you see where I'm going with this? Child porn and pedophelia is now what homosexuality was 40+ years ago. If society continues this path of permissivness, what's to say that's not next?
My overriding point was is that self control has been thrown out the door. Just because you have the desire to do something (good or bad, lawful or illegal) doesn't give you the "green light" to indulge yourself.
That is an absurd argument. Children have virtually no rights in this country until they are 18 years old. They can't enter a contract or vote until that point in their lives.
Pedophilia and homosexuality have nothing in common. One involves children and the other is for adults. You seem to be drawing some strange religious believes into this argument. Besides, the act of marriage came from the religion so who's to say that couples of different sexes have to be monogamous? We're one of the only species on this planet to do so. There are some types of birds that do this otherwise most species of animals live in packs or herds and only the dominant male gets to procreate.
Besides your sense of perversion is anothers sense of joy. Should we also ban S&M, bondage, oral sex, anal sex between men and women, etc? Why do you think anyone can tell another adult what they can and can't do with another adult?
There is nothing that consenting adults do with or to each other should be illegal. The Government needs to stay out of peoples houses....and more specifically the bedroom.
It's been previously stated, but the human population is so large now that procreation is not an issue. The human race isn't going anywhere until Mother Nature decides she's had enough of us or we kill ourselves.
Dave
Okey....I highly agree with the self-control part, and that it is very necessary and is not exactly something that Americans (or society world wide) are very good at.
Now then, I'm not exactly up on my "child porn" and I have been accused of living in a nice cozy cave every now and then, but it seems to me that society on the whole will never approve of their children being mis-used in this manner...no one likes to have their offspring damaged. As for the age of consent...I canna say. I knew plenty of girls growing up who seemed to think they were ready for children, and I knew plenty who were well on their way to having kids by the age of 15....I also knew plenty of men willing to cross the line of legality in terms of enjoying themselves...I also know that our "accepted" age for youngers' consent has only been 16 and above for the past couple hundred years.....Women worldwide have been "sold" to their "husbands" as early as age 9, essentially the moment they hit puberty it was time for them to start pumping out babies...and people wonder why men and some women are attracted to youngsters that aren't developed yet.
No I'm not saying it's okay (pedophelia)...No I'm not saying there's no need for self-control, and obviously controlling restraints to be apart of our governmental structure, however....when it comes to two consenting adults, let them do as they please and live their lives how they choose. That's one of the glories of being an adult, you have the ability to choose how you live your life, where you live it, and who you choose to spend it with. I do believe it is wrong to impose what you and I consider normal on someone who just doesn't.
Let's say we back up a few decades to a time when homosexuality was notably repressed by society...so someone who is a homosexual male or female is forced into a heterosexual relationship...this is healthy? I dunno, I'm not sure I can express myself as eloquently as others on this board...but to me, if you are an adult and you wish to have a relationship with another, consenting, adult (and I mean by the legal age standard here of 18 and above, someone who is of the age to be contributing to the society in which they live via a career, economic stability, community involvement, etc) then it's your choice and you take the consequences of your choice...and it's not up to the rest of society to force their creedos upon said individuals.
I do not think this is a situation that is comparable to pedophelia...primarily because of the whole consent issue. For example, I know of no women that were not at some point forced into an uncomfortable, and sometimes unfortunate situation by an older male at a young age (13 to 15)....is it consent if the "child" is afraid or doesn't know to say "no", or doesn't comprehend the consequences of his/her actions? I tend to define an "adult" as an individual who fully comprehends the consequences of their actions....generally this means the maturity of a person and not necessarily the age....and generally an individual is not fully cognizant of the entire consequences of their actions till mid-20s...
This is one of those issues that goes back to the Serendipity books my mother read to me as a child...the ones that teach good life lessons and morals for children.
Homosexuality, Beastiality, Pedophelia and any number of other spinoffs of regular sex can pretty much be lumped into the same category. The only difference with homosexuality is that consenting adults can make the decision to carry out the process, rather than one adult forcing it upon something. But that doesnt make it any more natural.
I hate to cite this, since its kind of a joke but HERE is an example of an animal giving consent to a human for sex. Is this okay if they're both consenting?
How do you feel about the Virtual Child Porn for pedophiles? Is that ok?
I think if we start accepting things like this, we're headed down a dark road in society.
About what you said about population control...
Regardless of popular opinion, the world is not overpopulated, or even close to it yet. Generally, when species becomes over populated in a specific area, disease or hunger are the main effects in reducing it.....but its not even like we're limited in space here in North America. In places like China, where there are many more people than here, your theory would imply that there should be more gays, however i think you'd find that there are significantly less, although i cant cite a source for that.
Well darlin, I've lived in China...and Japan...and other highly populated areas of the world....There's a very good reason why they're still imposing upon themselves extreme methods of population control. Over population is not simply a matter of square foot per person, it's the overall effect of the species on the land. Now granted, we're sort of attempting to maybe control the environment we've destroyed, the other species we've killed off, the air and water and land we've polluted beyond any recognizeable level of what could possibly be called healthy....If we're strictly discussing the survivability of the human race, well yeah, With technology we can probably survive indefinitely irregardless of our numbers. We're smart, that's why we're at the top of the food chain, but that doesn't change the fact that we're also still animals and have a "natural" obligation to the land and to the other species that we co-exist with.
Now what I don't understand is why you insist on lumping pedophelia with all the other stuff. The difference I and a few others have tried to point out is pedophelia does not involve consent of Adults....i.e. making it wrong and immoral. It's imposing one's will upon another individual who is (legally and ethically) incapable of making a decision for themselves regarding the best decision for their well being.
Beastiality? Dear god man....that's right up there with having fun with...uhm...what's the word for when you wanna have fun with dead things...ick...But it falls sorta in the same category of with a child...not really cause I'm afraid a horse/sheep/goat/or dead person isn't really going to "tell" you it's okay...nor will they most likely stand there and take it....but then, who am I to say...you obviously have the websites in hand to prove otherwise...ick...
However...Homosexuality is different because it involves two consenting adults. Obviously if they didn't consent it would fall under the category of rape (shudder)...but if two Consenting adults enjoy their bedroom activities, then who the hell are we to judge? It's not my place, nor is it yours, nor is it our government's place to impose the will of a particular group of people on another....just because they don't wanna participate. Same goes for adultery....if I'm married but I like that guy over there and I go enjoy him for an evening or two without my husband's knowledge...well then guess what, I'm in trouble with my husband, but that's my choice and I understand the consequences of my actions....
And technically....if we're going on perversion of "normal" sex...well then masturbation falls right in line there....cause that sure as hell isn't "sowing" your seed in the proper place, now is it? And believe me, I have heard the arguments before as to why it's okay for a guy to masterbate but not a woman, cause when a woman does it it's a perversion of all that's natural and right...
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Now what I don't understand is why you insist on lumping pedophelia with all the other stuff. The difference I and a few others have tried to point out is pedophelia does not involve consent of Adults....i.e. making it wrong and immoral. It's imposing one's will upon another individual who is (legally and ethically) incapable of making a decision for themselves regarding the best decision for their well being.
And technically....if we're going on perversion of "normal" sex...well then masturbation falls right in line there....cause that sure as hell isn't "sowing" your seed in the proper place, now is it? And believe me, I have heard the arguments before as to why it's okay for a guy to masterbate but not a woman, cause when a woman does it it's a perversion of all that's natural and right...
Before, I wasnt joking when i said that WHACKIN' off was ok. Its a part of life and growing. It is not a LIFESTYLE CHOICE. Its a natural act completed my MOST people on the planet. Men and women i suppose. Its fine. The numbers agree.
Pedophelia, Homosexuality, Necrophelia, Beastiality....its all just a perversion. Plain and simple. When a man loves a boy, its the same feeling a man gets when he loves another man, or woman. I do not deny that these people have real feelings, but rather its just misguided through genetics or upbringing.
You didnt answer my questions about kiddy porn or dolphin sex though.
Anyone who adopts a kid, single or not should get the tax break, no?
Yes, we're also the only animals that walk on two legs, besides a couple of types of birds. We're also the only ones to creat art and football. Your argument's lame.
When a man loves a man, NOT boy...we're not getting into pedophelia here...most homosexuals prefer consenting adults as their partners....
If they have real feelings, and they are adults, then why is it our, or your, or the government's business? Why do you feel so strongly that society must impose "controls" on their behavior? Why is it wrong for an adult to enjoy his, natural or taught desires with another adult - irregardless of the gender that he chooses to enjoy it with?
And yes, I quite directly addressed your question about child porn or dolphin sex....both are wrong and immoral because the individual person or animal being taken advantage of is unable and incapable of granting consent. And the fact that you frequent those sites lends one to question where your natural desires lie.
We may be at the top of the food chain, but we have out evolved our home (Earth) with the help of technology.
Any organism, if put in an environment where it is superior than the rest of the organisms in the environment, will take over and multiply exponentially. Example rabbits destroyed Australia a while back because they were superior at consuming resources and multiplying.
Humans do this no matter where they are and therefore are not suited/balanced with the natural environment.
Whats cool is that we should have the ability to resist the temptation to multiply exponentially & over consume, as a race, basically meaning that our intelect is superior to out nature. Or is it?!
- JB
Uhm...okay I think I agree
If I understand you correctly you're essentially saying that with human population numbers growing at exponential rates, we're not suited or balanced with the natural environment...irregardless of our technological improvements that allow us to continue to exist beyond our means, beat famine, beat disease and so on. If I did understand you correctly, than I completely 100% agree...if not...uhm...would you mind expanding upon your point a wee bit?
No. Tatoo a serial number on their inner thigh and inplant a microchip under the skin with their medical info. Thats what they do with animals these days.
I have feelings to drive 20 mph above the speed limit, so why should the government control my behavior?
I have real feelings about masturbating in public, why should the government stop me? It's just me, if you don't want to see it, don't look.
(I'm using these as examples to prove my point, except for the speeding..........LOL)
I personally could careless what a person does in the privacy of there home or wherever.
The point about the homosexual / pedophile example is not consent. It's about accepting (or the PC word is "tolerance", which it is not) as a society a chosen lifestyle that is a perversion and calling it "normal". It is a lifestyle and it is choice, you can chose to do it or not to do it.
Just like your example of the consequences of commiting adultry on your husband. If you chose to be homosexual, there are consequences. Consequences, that's another word this society doesn't like to hear.
Aren't the vast, overwelming majority of pedohiles heterosexual men?
This is not about sex, it's not about procreation, it's NOT about a slippery slope that doesn't exist if you have any respect for rationality or logic.
It's about whether or not two people who love each other can have that love recognized officially.
If you're going to claim that marraige exists only to facilitate procreation, should we start banning paraplegic weddings? Do couples with fertility issues get their marraiges nullified? THAT slippery slope is no less of a stretch than Burly's linking homosexuality to bestiality, or the acceptance of homosexuality to the corruption of the country's youth.
SHOW me the statistics that say kids raised by homosexual couples are worse off than those raised in traditional homes and I'll show you a crock of sh!t. In fact, I'll bet you a ten-spot that those kids are MORE balanced, because they're folks were probably much more committed to each other and loving towards their child, as they had to struggle much more than most the maintain either. Bad parenting messes kids up, and good parenting doesn't. It doesn't matter whether it comes from a single mother, single father, married couple, grandparents, or two moms.
It's about whether or not two people who love each other can have that love recognized officially.
If you're going to claim that marraige exists only to facilitate procreation, should we start banning paraplegic weddings? Do couples with fertility issues get their marraiges nullified? THAT slippery slope is no less of a stretch than Burly's linking homosexuality to bestiality, or the acceptance of homosexuality to the corruption of the country's youth.
SHOW me the statistics that say kids raised by homosexual couples are worse off than those raised in traditional homes and I'll show you a crock of sh!t. In fact, I'll bet you a ten-spot that those kids are MORE balanced, because they're folks were probably much more committed to each other and loving towards their child, as they had to struggle much more than most the maintain either. Bad parenting messes kids up, and good parenting doesn't. It doesn't matter whether it comes from a single mother, single father, married couple, grandparents, or two moms.