And you get to practice straighten rotors with Avids. The QC is poor.Go with the avids, if you know how to do it a bleed takes literaly 5 minuts, with vurtualy no mess and it ALWAYS works. The bleed kit is realy nice. Avids are ganna have more power and better modulation, and they have the pad adjustment.
I've owned two different sets of juicy 7's and currently run ultimates on one bike and codes on another, and I've never seen this problem. I don't ride in very cold conditions but it is often hot. What you're saying sounds like it could be air in the line but not sure. In any case, the reach adjustment is a great feature and I think it's silly to suggest it's some kind of cover-up.the dial in the avids is a nice touch, but its also a bitch coz the leaver position changes when it gets hot or cold. where as hopes/shimanos dont have that problem. its almost like the dial is a cover up for a flaw in the design.
Yep exactly (and its a 2.5mm allen, same as the rebound adjuster )FYI...Codes have the reach adjuster screw on the OUTSIDE of the lever blade now, rather than the inside, so it's much easier to get to with a 2mm allen...rather than half ass wedging the allen between lever and handlebar. Thoughtful touch.
whoops about the size. I just always remember it's the tiny one.Yep exactly (and its a 2.5mm allen, same as the rebound adjuster )
Yea if you have a rock shox boxxer fork, you can take the rebound adjuster out and use it as a 2.5mm allen wrench for Juicy Ultimates / Code lever reach and a variety of other things.whoops about the size. I just always remember it's the tiny one.
rebound adjuster?
of course i didn't mean that avid have the reach adjuster to cover up a problem with their brakes. its a neat feature.I've owned two different sets of juicy 7's and currently run ultimates on one bike and codes on another, and I've never seen this problem. I don't ride in very cold conditions but it is often hot. What you're saying sounds like it could be air in the line but not sure. In any case, the reach adjustment is a great feature and I think it's silly to suggest it's some kind of cover-up.
could be air if your brakes are squishy, also could be old brake fluid. with water in it. bleed/flush out the system.so is it just air in my lines that makes my juicy 7's pump up when halfway through a trail??
of course i didn't mean that avid have the reach adjuster to cover up a problem with their brakes. its a neat feature.
i live right next to the equator, so it get pretty hot there. mainly after you leave it in a car in the sun for a while. also on cold days, it works fine for a run, by the time you push up for the next the lever position changes after it cools down. it could be air, but it happens with all my friends who have juicys. even if the brakes are rock solid...
so seeing that you can 'adjust' your leaver position on any brakes, just take off the wheel and pump the brakes a few times till the pistons are where you want them, then what do you know.. it engages earlier. and with other brakes they would just stay that way regardless of temperature.
just giving my .02, i find that no one has the seals problem here in england so thats my reasoning for weather. they are great brakes, dont get me wrong. it just that when they give any sort of trouble they are harder to work with then hopes. hopes are just straight forward brakes that are easy to understand and work with.
back to the thread. i would also agree that go that what ever you think would be better for you, be it cheaper lighter or better looking. another thing i might add is that avids have the pivot for the lever closer to the bar then ather brakes, which give a nice feel. shimano have the 'knife edge' leavers that some ppl dont like.
Now you talkin, tons of power, great modulation, ligh, reliable, easy to work on, and great service, the only negative is the price.between those, avid codes for sure, but they're heavy
formula might be better
I hate to say it, but your preference is wrong - and that's why you'll find that NO brake works in the way you mention.I like very instant pad contact, and I can't seem to get enough fluid into the system once the pads are 1/2 way worn down to facilitate this preference.
I just want to preserve this^I hate to say it, but your preference is wrong -
Well, perhaps. Boiling point would more relevant to people spending a day in the alps so yes its not really relevant to most people. The amount of torque however is relevant to everyone.That's like testing five cars and gauging their performance at red line,barely relevant for a test on how they drive and perform.
Interesting though.
Like what?They also seem to be higher maintenance.
Don't worry Kidwoo I got more days on my pair of 2 yr old Saints this spring, then Buildyourown's got on his 2 yr old Juicys total, and yeah mine are clacked out compared to his.Like what?
I've got a pair of xts on one of my bikes I haven't touched in over a year and a half other than bending a lever back.
My xtrs on my xc bike which were the brakes that got me all gung ho on shimano have been bled once since 2003. And I only bled them because it seemed like I should bleed them after 2 years.
Saints are pretty much the same brake so what about them is high maintenance?
interesting, i find this to be the exact opposite. my saints a most powerful. and every avid i've felt were too mushy. mostly just don't care for the lever feel of avids. and enjoy my straitline levers even more so.The saints are powerful, but a bit to mushy for me. They also seem to be higher maintenance.
That was actually an honest question.and yeah mine are clacked out compared to his.